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Old 11-02-2018, 12:30 PM
 
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Regarding the Christian debate of Calvinism vs Libertarian Freewill.

If human beings have no libertarian free will (LFW), then we are all puppets in God's puppet show.

If created beings have no libertarian free will (LFW), then God is responsible for all sin.

If created beings have no libertarian free will (LFW), then a God who sends them to endless tortures for the sins He caused them to commit is a monstrous sadist.

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Lists of verses supporting free will:

https://forums.catholic.com/t/biblic...-will/231649/7

"5 ARGUMENTS FOR THE EXISTENCE OF FREE WILL":

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"What is the biblical basis for free will?":

https://christianity.stackexchange.c...-for-free-will

"freewill as taught in scripture":

https://soteriology101.com/2017/07/2...-in-scripture/

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Old 11-02-2018, 01:03 PM
 
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If human beings have no libertarian free will (LFW), then we are all puppets in God's puppet show.

If created beings have no libertarian free will (LFW), then God is responsible for all sin.

If created beings have no libertarian free will (LFW), then a God who sends them to endless tortures for the sins He caused them to commit is a monstrous sadist.
Huh? That's not related to Christianity. Maybe you meant to put that in the main forum (general Religion and Spirituality) and some other belief system.

As far as Christianity goes, the Bible is full of free-will, human choice, and decision making. There are countless examples of God stating advice and commandments, people engaging in acts, and God's response to the human decisions. Sounds like you've not read a single sentence from the Bible.

You're completely wrong in your assumptions of God, the Bible, and Christianity. Oh well...

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Old 11-02-2018, 01:16 PM
 
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Huh? That's not Christianity-based. Maybe you meant to put that in the main forum (general Religion and Spirituality).

Back to Christianity specifically though, the Bible is full of free-will, human choice, and decision making. It's chock full of God stating matters, people engaging in acts, and God's response to the human decisions. No where is there any mention of us not having choice and free will.

You're completely wrong in your assumptions of the Christian God. Oh well...
Unfortunately there is a substantial portion of Christians who believe in "God's sovereignty" and deny that any kind of free will exists. The question is appropriate to "Reform Theology."
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Old 11-02-2018, 01:55 PM
 
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Huh? That's not related to Christianity. Maybe you meant to put that in the main forum (general Religion and Spirituality) and some other belief system.
Did you not see my references to the Bible & Scripture in the rest of my post:

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"What is the biblical basis for free will?":

https://christianity.stackexchange.c...-for-free-will

"freewill as taught in scripture":
https://soteriology101.com/2017/07/2...-in-scripture/
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Old 11-02-2018, 01:57 PM
 
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Unfortunately there is a substantial portion of Christians who believe in "God's sovereignty" and deny that any kind of free will exists. The question is appropriate to "Reform Theology."
Yes, the topic relates to Reform Theology or Calvinism which denies libertarian free will.
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Old 11-02-2018, 01:57 PM
 
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You throw out statements and links, but no indication of what your thread is for, and no questions. It was more of a blog than anything else...
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Old 11-02-2018, 02:00 PM
 
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You throw out statements and links, but no indication of what your thread is for, and no questions. It was more of a blog than anything else...
For the uninformed i've added to the OP the following:

"Regarding the Christian debate of Calvinism vs Libertarian Freewill."
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Old 11-02-2018, 02:37 PM
 
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God gave us the ten commandment because there is a devil who owns the rejection of then ten commandments , as God Loves People to warn them about the hazards of not paying heed .... So then God created hell for the devil and his hoards and followers , as God has no use for wickedness................. Then we have liberalism which rejects justice , as offensive , and says why can`t God be liberal , well there is a seven headed ten horn ten crown fallen angel who has spiritual authority over liberalism , and God is a Holy and just God who can`t reject justice ............ Where Universalism rejects Jesus the redeemer , and then rejects hell which is justice for the devil and His people who deny God , as Universalism says that on the last day God will reject Jesus and save all people which don`t make sense , as why would God deny Himself .....
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Old 11-02-2018, 04:12 PM
 
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Default If human beings have no libertarian free will (LFW)

Calvinism is a morally bankrupt theology that renders us no more than robot actors on a stage performing for a vacuous and capricious God, IMO.
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Old 11-02-2018, 05:40 PM
 
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Calvinism is a morally bankrupt theology that renders us no more than robot actors on a stage performing for a vacuous and capricious God, IMO.
And with their two-lips, their heart is far from him.
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