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I didn't call you worldly... you are one with the world.
You constantly accuse believers. I have told you that on numerous occasions.
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Originally Posted by DRob4JC
The world didn't rub off on him... it's in him.
Yes you did, you said the world is in me. You know exactly what you meanty by accusing me of that.
Again unfounded accusations. I rip and reject what you believe just like you rip and reject what i do, so quit with i am accusing anyone. Like i said, you are on a mission to discredit me because i will not conform to and accept your beliefs. It is never going to happen, i believed much of it without thinking why i did, i thought about it and i was shocked how much is based on the doctrines and opinions of men.
Yes you did, you said the world is in me. You know exactly what you meanty by accusing me of that.
Again unfounded accusations. I rip and reject what you believe just like you rip and reject what i do, so quit with i am accusing anyone. Like i said, you are on a mission to discredit me because i will not conform to and accept your beliefs. It is never going to happen, i believed much of it without thinking why i did, i thought about it and i was shocked how much is based on the doctrines and opinions of men.
Maybe there is a miscommunication. Maybe he was inferring, that as with your father Paul, "sin which dwells within me" (Romans 7:20), applies to you as a follower of Paul. The "sin" representing the product of the ruler of the world, the dragon/Satan/devil (1 John 3:8). And as "those who dwell on the earth" are included in those who are deceived (Revelation 13:14), that you would be among those so deceived, and have "sin" dwell "within me". I can understand how one could think that. I am sure he didn't actually mean that the "world"/earth can actually fit inside of you. There apparently is only room in a person for the demon spirits of the ruler of the world, the "dragon", not the world itself.
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
...means this...
...even though Paul is quite descriptive about being caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air? Seriously, that’s your understanding of that passage?
"I pray not that thou shouldest take them from the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil one."
- Jesus as quoted by John 17:15
It doesn't get any clearer than this quote from Jesus. There will be NO pre-emptive evacuation. The Lord will come at the appropriate time and not before....not several times either as rapture lovers presume.
If Jesus refused to pray for it, why should we? If Our Lord looked for divine providence in the midst of the world's trouble shouldn't we also - instead of passing bovine excrement in the form of religious hokum?
Rapture dogma is based upon a half dozen scriptures taken out of context. The whole Bible from beginning to end tells us that God will be with us through trouble, not take us out of it.
Rapture is a doctrine of cowards and faithless fools.
"I pray not that thou shouldest take them from the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil one."
- Jesus as quoted by John 17:15
It doesn't get any clearer than this quote from Jesus. There will be NO pre-emptive evacuation. The Lord will come at the appropriate time and not before....not several times either as rapture lovers presume.
If Jesus refused to pray for it, why should we? If Our Lord looked for divine providence in the midst of the world's trouble shouldn't we also - instead of passing bovine excrement in the form of religious hokum?
Rapture dogma is based upon a half dozen scriptures taken out of context. The whole Bible from beginning to end tells us that God will be with us through trouble, not take us out of it.
Rapture is a doctrine of cowards and faithless fools.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft....
Well, actually, according to Jeremiah 30:7, "Jacob", such as Israel, which is comprised of Ephraim and Judah, will be "saved" from "Jacob's distress", which is elaborated in in Jeremiah 30:11, in which "I will not destroy you completely", which is to say that "I will chasten you justly" (Jeremiah 30:11), and there will be "survivors" for those on Mount Zion(Joel 2:31-32) from the "awesome day of the LORD. As for the nations/Gentiles, they do not fare so well (Jeremiah 30:11).
"I pray not that thou shouldest take them from the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil one."
- Jesus as quoted by John 17:15
It doesn't get any clearer than this quote from Jesus. There will be NO pre-emptive evacuation. The Lord will come at the appropriate time and not before....not several times either as rapture lovers presume.
If Jesus refused to pray for it, why should we? If Our Lord looked for divine providence in the midst of the world's trouble shouldn't we also - instead of passing bovine excrement in the form of religious hokum?
Rapture dogma is based upon a half dozen scriptures taken out of context. The whole Bible from beginning to end tells us that God will be with us through trouble, not take us out of it.
Rapture is a doctrine of cowards and faithless fools.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft....
Totally different scenario. From Matthew Henry’s Commentary:
The world hated Jesus and was about to slay him, because he was not of the world. So it would hate the apostles, who were not of the world, and seek to slay them; he does not pray that they should be taken out of the world, for they have a work to do, but that the Father would keep them from the power of the evil one.
The rapture is removing the church before the tribulation.
“Because you have obeyed my command to persevere, I will protect you from the great time of testing that will come upon the whole world to test those who belong to this world. (Revelation 3:10)
Totally different scenario. From Matthew Henry’s Commentary:
The world hated Jesus and was about to slay him, because he was not of the world. So it would hate the apostles, who were not of the world, and seek to slay them; he does not pray that they should be taken out of the world, for they have a work to do, but that the Father would keep them from the power of the evil one.
The rapture is removing the church before the tribulation.
“Because you have obeyed my command to persevere, I will protect you from the great time of testing that will come upon the whole world to test those who belong to this world. (Revelation 3:10)
The "world" that hated Jesus and called for his execution, according to the bible, was the religious one.
Yes you did, you said the world is in me. You know exactly what you meanty by accusing me of that.
Again unfounded accusations. I rip and reject what you believe just like you rip and reject what i do, so quit with i am accusing anyone. Like i said, you are on a mission to discredit me because i will not conform to and accept your beliefs. It is never going to happen, i believed much of it without thinking why i did, i thought about it and i was shocked how much is based on the doctrines and opinions of men.
I am only telling the truth about your status, and people come in and out of this thread thinking you are part of the body, but you really aren't. You don't believe that Christ's death was necessary for sin. You don't believe He was physically resurrected. That's what you have told me through our 9+ years of discussions. True believers also do not consistently condemn other believers, and that's what you do. That's what the adversary does.
It isn't about you agreeing with me. I don't care if you agree me. Ultimately, you need Christ in your life, because He is not there right now... and I am basing this on what you have posted in this forum for over 9 years. It is not about agreeing with me. It is about your life today and your future in eternity. God loves you and sent Jesus to die for your sins, just like he did for me. Being a disciple of Christ ultimately is not about being a "fundamentalist" or a liberal. It is simply about having 100% faith and trust in God and Jesus Christ (which by extension includes trusting the content in the Scriptures), and letting Them guide your life.
I am only telling the truth about your status, and people come in and out of this thread thinking you are part of the body, but you really aren't. You don't believe that Christ's death was necessary for sin. You don't believe He was physically resurrected. That's what you have told me through our 9+ years of discussions. True believers also do not consistently condemn other believers, and that's what you do. That's what the adversary does.
It isn't about you agreeing with me. I don't care if you agree me. Ultimately, you need Christ in your life, because He is not there right now... and I am basing this on what you have posted in this forum for over 9 years. It is not about agreeing with me. It is about your life today and your future in eternity. God loves you and sent Jesus to die for your sins, just like he did for me. Being a disciple of Christ ultimately is not about being a "fundamentalist" or a liberal. It is simply about having 100% faith and trust in God and Jesus Christ (which by extension includes trusting the content in the Scriptures), and letting Them guide your life.
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Originally Posted by pcamps
. It seems to me that you are hell bent on discrediting me rather than addressing what i am saying. It is perfectly fine that i see things different to you, if that rubs you up the wrong way, then the issue is in you not in me.
Stop lying, i disagree with the likes of yourself of things concerning Jesus Christ and the scriptures(which i do not believe that you believe either ), that is not condemning, i always give reason why i disagree too. I do believe that Christ's death was necessary, but not for the reason you put forth, so you are lying again, i do believe he was physically resurrected, but not for the reason you put forth, so again, here you are lying. Just read what you have said about me on this thread alone to see the one condemning. It totally sums you up that you think you can say who has Christ in their life and who doesn't, this coming from someone who never mentions Christ being in their life, but consistently lauds the bible over the Christ, and believes such rubbish as those who are going to meet Christ in the air, that their soul and spirit is going to separate from their body of flesh.
Being a disciple of Jesus Christ is doing what he said.... These are his words not mine, your description of a disciple are your own words.
Stop lying, i disagree with the likes of yourself of things concerning Jesus Christ and the scriptures(which i do not believe that you believe either ), that is not condemning, i always give reason why i disagree too. I do believe that Christ's death was necessary, but not for the reason you put forth, so you are lying again, i do believe he was physically resurrected, but not for the reason you put forth, so again, here you are lying. Just read what you have said about me on this thread alone to see the one condemning. It totally sums you up that you think you can say who has Christ in their life and who doesn't, this coming from someone who never mentions Christ being in their life, but consistently lauds the bible over the Christ, and believes such rubbish as those who are going to meet Christ in the air, that their soul and spirit is going to separate from their body of flesh.
Being a disciple of Jesus Christ is doing what he said.... These are his words not mine, your description of a disciple are your own words.
That is an interesting statement. What did he say that you are doing? What did he say that you are not doing?
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