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Old 03-08-2019, 05:36 PM
 
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I have heard this is the biggest sin or crime against God, the most hurtful, the sadest....
to talk someone out of belief...of believing and loving Him....in other words,
taking someone's love away from Him.

What do you say? You, not the Bible...your heart and soul....what do they say to you?
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Old 03-08-2019, 07:29 PM
 
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I have heard this is the biggest sin or crime against God, the most hurtful, the sadest....
to talk someone out of belief...of believing and loving Him....in other words,
taking someone's love away from Him.

What do you say? You, not the Bible...your heart and soul....what do they say to you?
I think such behavior from others who attempt this sort of futility only reveal something of themselves.
I once told a loved one that if any were to try and offend me I would only know why.

Sometimes there is doubt. Sometimes pain and anger.

Anything other than these... Well, I won't speak of those.
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Old 03-08-2019, 08:49 PM
 
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It depends. The default would be that I wouldn't try to talk someone out of their spiritual beliefs, or their absence of them. I prefer to learn what they are, and if appropriate, see if I find anything in them that would enrich my own.

However. If their beliefs were causing them anguish and anxiety with undue cause, I might try to get them to look at things a different way.
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Old 03-08-2019, 09:45 PM
 
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It depends. The default would be that I wouldn't try to talk someone out of their spiritual beliefs, or their absence of them. I prefer to learn what they are, and if appropriate, see if I find anything in them that would enrich my own.

However. If their beliefs were causing them anguish and anxiety with undue cause, I might try to get them to look at things a different way.
Off topic as per usual.

Where and when courage is found a person may even be freely given favor.
So long as they have not committed the unforgivable.

While invited.
There are few that hastily walk with arrogance.
Their outer garments reveal an inward betrayal.

Sop the bread in wine.
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Old 03-08-2019, 09:58 PM
 
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Off topic as per usual.

Where and when courage is found a person may even be freely given favor.
So long as they have not committed the unforgivable.

While invited.
There are few that hastily walk with arrogance.
Their outer garments reveal an inward betrayal.

Sop the bread in wine.
Yeah, right. It's ME that's off-topic.
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Old 03-08-2019, 10:00 PM
 
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I have heard this is the biggest sin or crime against God, the most hurtful, the sadest....
to talk someone out of belief...of believing and loving Him....in other words,
taking someone's love away from Him.
What do you say? You, not the Bible...your heart and soul....what do they say to you?
I certainly would not want that responsibility on my shoulders.

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It depends. The default would be that I wouldn't try to talk someone out of their spiritual beliefs, or their absence of them. I prefer to learn what they are, and if appropriate, see if I find anything in them that would enrich my own.
However. If their beliefs were causing them anguish and anxiety with undue cause, I might try to get them to look at things a different way.
I resonate with this approach!
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Old 03-08-2019, 10:27 PM
 
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Yeah, right. It's ME that's off-topic.
Yes'
Your agony is aparant.

Do you Know the tradition and name of mosheh,s parents names?

I personally know you have ignored the Torah written on the Heart.
Curse miryim and a'ahron.

Let everyone know how you really feel.
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Old 03-09-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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Off topic as per usual.

Where and when courage is found a person may even be freely given favor.
So long as they have not committed the unforgivable.

While invited.
There are few that hastily walk with arrogance.
Their outer garments reveal an inward betrayal.

Sop the bread in wine.

Well, she was on-topic. Meanwhile, you went careening off into some vague accusation.



Back to the OP. I think it's bad form. But the problem truly lies in a person's faith already with such shallow roots.
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Old 03-09-2019, 07:50 AM
 
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I have heard this is the biggest sin or crime against God, the most hurtful, the sadest....
to talk someone out of belief...of believing and loving Him....in other words,
taking someone's love away from Him.

What do you say? You, not the Bible...your heart and soul....what do they say to you?

Your heart is "deceitful", and you will find truth in the Scriptures, "which cannot be broken". I say you are kidding yourself that you think you are more loving than God, and the results probably will not be good. It is "those who dwell on the earth" who have been "deceived" (Revelation 13:14). Maybe some of them need to "come out of her" (Revelation 18:4), that being the "daughter of Babylon", whose taught false beliefs, are front and center in deceiving those who dwell on earth. As for if you want to Love God, and your neighbor, keep the Commandments.(1 John 5:3)


Jeremiah 17:9 9The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?



New American Standard Bible John 10:35
"If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),

New American Standard Bible John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
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Old 03-09-2019, 08:29 AM
 
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Back to the OP. I think it's bad form. But the problem truly lies in a person's faith
already with such shallow roots.
Thanks. Back to a discussion and opinions on the topic, instead of who has a "deceitful" heart!! Good grief.

Now, should that make a difference, tho? Someone's shakey faith?
A person just finding their way, discovering this thing called faith...(not necessarily Christian),
then, like an eagle ...the atheist swoops down with their views to change their entire path?
Like a child looking at the stars in wonder...Is their a Creator? "NO", says the atheist uncle.

Do you think ...just as Christians teach young children about a firey ((hell))), and a wrathful, terrifying, punishing God, this should simply be 'out of bounds'?

Asked generally to all, ha.
Let a person just be?

I also liked MQ's input. Oh, ps, I am so sorry you are in agony....LOLOLOLOL<hahaha!!!
Wonder if it beats a deceitful heart?

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