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Old 05-05-2019, 06:27 PM
 
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The devil is the devil because he's the scapegoat of man's failure
The devil is the definition of our human/animal nature - our Reptilian brain (the true serpent) - responsible for all our baser selfish urges and motivations, like survival, pleasure-seeking or pain-avoidance. Our developing embryo Spirit is responsible for our higher urges and motivations that can come into conflict with the baser ones.
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Old 05-05-2019, 09:23 PM
 
Location: New England
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The devil is the definition of our human/animal nature - our Reptilian brain (the true serpent) - responsible for all our baser selfish urges and motivations, like survival, pleasure-seeking or pain-avoidance. Our developing embryo Spirit is responsible for our higher urges and motivations that can come into conflict with the baser ones.
Thank you Mystic, for your simplified assessment .
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Old 05-05-2019, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Adam had been given authority over the earth by the Lord...
Don't you mean that it is mankind who was given dominion over the earth?
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Old 05-06-2019, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Where do you see satan being the covering of Eve, Miss H?.
He was the covering cherub of the garden, his covering was made of precious stones that symbolise immortality, and when we see those precious stones in Revelation, it is just showing mankind going back to immortality.
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Old 05-06-2019, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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''Satan was covering of Eve, of all mankind, even Jesus.''

What does 'covering of' mean? Thanks
I just can't fig it out!!
You are the garden, and the 3 in the garden represent body, soul, and spirit. When they went against God's word, they became naked, and the most beautiful immortal creature had fallen, and thus, they became naked and tried to clothe themselves.

Jesus came as a new Adam because WE NEED A NEW ADAM, the Adam we were born of is fallen, it has no power to help us whatsoever.

Adam was the spirit inside Eve, mankind, and all who are born are born of EVE. Jesus had to come as a son of Eve in order to fulfill the prophesy of one of her sons crushing the head of the snake, our head.

Think about it, if Adam was not a spirit inside a body, then why would we need a new Adam.

Jesus is our new Adam that represents a spirit inside us, and what had happened to Adam, the same happened to Jesus.

Jesus and Adam were lain down in a sleep of death so a bride could be taken from their own body, and Jesus is now the male spirit within you, as a new Adam.
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Old 05-06-2019, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Don't you mean that it is mankind who was given dominion over the earth?
When Jesus came, we saw him repeating the story of the garden.

God came looking for Adam in the garden, but Adam was afraid and hiding, and God had given man authority, but when Jesus came to the garden, mankind came looking for him, and they called out for him, he did not hide, they said,'' Where is Jesus?''

''Here I am,'' then everyone fell to the ground.
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Old 05-06-2019, 07:29 PM
 
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Don't you mean that it is mankind who was given dominion over the earth?
Yes.
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Old 05-08-2019, 07:16 AM
 
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The most subtle thing about this whole episode is the devil offering to Jesus and ourselves, that which already belongs to us. Jesus knew this, unfortunately most of us don't. It's a very deceptive thing, and the fallen away church offers something very similar, bow down and worship Jesus and heaven is yours.

The essence of the gospel is all that i am and have is already yours, go enjoy it. I'm not just meaning the kingdom within but the whole darn thing.
Hot diggitty this is good. Nice summary of the same conclusion I get. Same thing as Jesus saying those who believe in Him could move mountains if they wanted to.
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Old 05-08-2019, 03:02 PM
 
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Hot diggitty this is good. Nice summary of the same conclusion I get. Same thing as Jesus saying those who believe in Him could move mountains if they wanted to.
How do you know that he really existed?....
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Old 05-08-2019, 03:11 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Hot diggitty this is good. Nice summary of the same conclusion I get. Same thing as Jesus saying those who believe in Him could move mountains if they wanted to.
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How do you know that he really existed?....
Good question, how do we know if any of the individual people talked about in any ancient historical writing actually existed as individuals rather than stories referring to the prophetic
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