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Obviously Hezakiah's son was never called any of he names in Isa 9:6 and his government did come to an end when he died
According to Charles Feinberg, an expert in Hebrew, almah refers to a young woman who is a virgin. and there is no reason not to link Isa 7:14 to being fulfilled by Mary who was a young woman who was a virgin.
Feinberg was a Christian, he converted when he was 21, hardly educated in Hebrew...There is a reason why we have two different descriptive words of a woman, a bethula is definitely a virgin while an Almah is a young woman who may or may not be a virgin, she may be married or single...
Feinberg is a Jew who converted to Christianity. He is an expert scholar of Hebrew and knows he language better than anyone in this forum.
Really?...I know one person on city data that could run circles around Feinberg...If Feinberg would have continued in his Jewish education I doubt that he would have been duped by The Chosen People Ministries, a Messianic organization, into converting to Christianity...His education in Hebrew mostly came from the Christian universities that he attended...
Here is an informative post by Josh Waxman on Mi Yodea on the Judaism stackexchange website:
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The question has an unspoken, Christian-missionary-oriented premise. (Unfortunately a common subversion of this site, and one not acknowledged by either askers or answerers. Let us not pretend.) Namely, if an alma only means an unmarried woman, and an unmarried woman in Israelite society was naturally a virgin, then alma must mean virgin, and we arrive at a virgin birth.
Other answers address, head-on, how we might find an explicit married alma amongst the very few instances in Tanach, as if that is what is indeed required. They do a good job, but one need not prove an instance of a married alma to support the assertion given from the Hertz Chumash, namely that "the word 'almah in the Tanakh means a young woman of marriageable age, whether married or not".
There are different categories of words, some general and some specific. For example, an איש in Hebrew might mean a man, whether married or unmarried, whether a virgin or a non-virgin. It does not carry additional meaning. Meanwhile, a בתולה might well mean a young virgin. A בהמה can refer to a domesticated animal, such as a sheep, goat, or bovine, while an עז refers to a specific animal, a goat. Further, there are not macro and micro levels, but intermediate levels at which some attributes are specified and others are not.
The question is whether, based on pesukim, one can establish the word עלמה as a general young female, or a young female who is specifically unmarried, or specifically a virgin.
In Genesis 24:43, Avraham's servant is recounting the condition he imposed for identifying Yitzchak's destined bride. Earlier, in verse 14, he refers to a naara, and thus alma is a synonym of this. A naarah can be a non-virgin (see Dinah after the rape). And a naarah can be a married non-virgin (see Devarim 22). So just as naarah can be understood in the general sense, the synonym / parallel can be understood in the same general sense.
If you want to prove that it has a specific sense of non-married, then it is upon you to cite a verse from the sparse seven verses which demonstrate that this is the required meaning. Otherwise, there is no reason to impose the non-married specific meaning.
If Herz has said that alma meant "a young woman of marriageable age, with no requirement that she specifically be a brunette", then it would not be upon anyone to demonstrate that there are non-brunettes (say, redheads or blondes) among the seven verses. Similarly, he is saying that we see this general meaning, and there is no cause to specifically assert a non-married meaning.
Feinberg is a Jew who converted to Christianity. He is an expert scholar of Hebrew and knows he language better than anyone in this forum.
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Originally Posted by Aristotles child
QUESTION: Have you tested everybody in this forum?
Or is this a claim without evidence ?
Charles Lee Feinberg (June 12, 1909 – August 22, 1995) was an American biblical scholar and professor of Semitics and Old Testament. He was an authority on the Jewish history, languages and customs of the Old Testament and biblical prophecies.
Background and education
Feinberg was born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and raised in an Orthodox Jewish community, graduating from the Hebrew Institute of Pittsburgh and the University of Pittsburgh in preparation to be a rabbi.[1] In 1930, he converted from Judaism to Christianity through the ministry of Chosen People Ministries.[1][2] He went on to earn his Th.M. (1934) and Th.D. (1935) from Dallas Theological Seminary, his A.M. (1943) from Southern Methodist University and his Ph.D. (1945) in Archaeology and Semitic languages from Johns Hopkins University. Feinberg married Anne Priscilla Fraiman in 1935, and together they had three children (Paul, Lois and John).[¹] [Bolding mine]
Given that Dr. Feinberg had a Ph.D in Semitic languages, it's highly doubtful that anyone on this forum knows Hebrew better than he did. Possible perhaps, but not likely.
The OP asks (A)... "Where is there an example of a married 'almah' among the 'almah' passages in the Tanakh...?"
Answer: Proverbs 30: 18-20 (18)" There are three things that are concealed from me, and a fourth, that I do not know; (19) The way of the eagle in the heavens, the way of a serpent on a rock, the way of a ship in the heart of the sea, and the way of a man with a young woman ("Almah"). (20) So is the way of an adulterous woman; she eats and wipes her mouth, and she says, "I have committed no sin."
In the above Passage from the Tanakh, Proverbs gives three examples of things which are "concealed" in the doings of this world.
1) An eagle's path in the heavens 2) A serpent's trail on a rock 3) The way of a ship through water
Each of these things have something in common. They leave no trace after a short time. A minute later, an observer can see no evidence that an eagle, snake, or ship, have passed through.
Proverbs then picks a 4th example similar to the three before it. The "way" of a man with an "almah" (young woman). This "way" in this context, is a euphemism for physical intercourse between the man and woman. After a short time, there is no trace in the woman, that a man has been there with her. (similar to the eagle, snake, and ship on their respective "ways")
Verse 20 then continues to refer to this same 4th case of the "Almah" by calling her an "adulterous woman". The subject euphemism (of intercourse) is also continued with the words "she eats and wipes her mouth". So the verse is referring to the same case number 4 above.
The style of the verses 18-20 depict the 4 cardinal elements of fire, water, air, and earth in the 4 cases. (eagle:air, snake:earth, ship:water, and "love": fire) Therefore, verse 19 and 20 are the same case of fire and there is no separate 5th case in verse 20. So the "Almah" of verse 19 and the adulteress of verse 20 is the same woman.
(All of this is agreed to by the Malbim in his commentary to Proverbs 30:18-20; namely that the 4th case of the "Almah" and adulterous woman are one and the same, and that it is all a parable about a particular woman who betrayed her beloved king by cheating on him and trying to hide the fact (the parable used is based on the 4 elements). Malbim in a separate commentary called Be'ur HaMilim to Proverbs 30:19, says that the word "Almah" here means a non-virgin woman.
Also see Ibn-Ezra to verse 30:19 - "with a young woman: when he has illicit relations with her, he does not fear G-d when he violates the commandment of "Do not commit adultery"..."
A similar approach to the parable and assumption that the woman in verse 19 and 20 are the same, is found in Metzudas David to 30:18-20, Metzudas Tzion also identifies "Almah" here and in Isaiah 7:14 as a non-virgin as well.)
Now we all know that only a married woman can be accused of adultery. A single girl who does this might be labeled promiscuous, but not an adulteress. (She is also not a virgin, since it would be easy to make a physical examination and see she has lost her virginity. Therefore the verse is speaking of a non-virgin "Almah" who would remain physically the same before and after intercourse; and hence her actions would be undetectable like the ways of the eagle, snake, and ship.)
Therefore, Proverbs 30: 18-20, is an example of the Tanakh using the word "Almah" to refer to a married woman (and certainly not a virgin).
The OP asks (B) : Is it possible for the Tanakh to refer to Isaiah's wife as an "Almah" and as the mother of Shearyashuv; if "almah" by definition, only refers to a woman who has never had children (according to Rashi and Ibn Ezra)?
Answer:
According to Rashi: Shear-Yashuv is not a real person or a son of Isaiah.
Rashi: Isaiah 7:3 .."and Shear-Yashuv your son..": The small remnant that will return to Me through you, and they are like your sons.
Here, Rashi translates "your son Shear-Yashuv, as a metaphor.
So, according to Rashi, Imannuel of Isaiah 7:14 can be a son of Isaiah and his wife, who has not yet had a child in her life. This is because, according to Rashi, Isaiah's wife is not in fact the mother of a previous son named Shear-Yashuv at all.
According to Ibn-Ezra:
Ibn-Ezra does in fact believe that Shear-Yashuv is a real son of Isaiah and his wife. However, he does not say that the mother of Imannuel in 7:14 is the same mother of Shear-Yashuv in verse 7:3. So, it is possible that according to Ibn-Ezra, Isaiah had two wives. The second wife would be giving birth to her first child, Imannuel.
Alternatively, we can say from Ibn-Ezra's commentary on 7:14, that he does not agree with the definition that an "almah" must have never given birth, since his only criteria for an "almah" is that the woman be young in years.
Ibn-Ezra: "...There is nothing in the definition (of "Almah") except as it relates to age..."
I correct erroneous information regarding the Tanakh, which Christians call the Old Testament and is, in actuality, an edited version of the Hebrew Tanakh...There are things in the Tanakh that have been omitted from the Christian Old Testament, things that have been modified and therefore different and things that have been added that are not in the Tanakh...So, who’s actually telling the truth here, the Jews or the Christians?...Our Tanakh is unadulterated, can the same be said about the Christian Old Testament?...It is claimed that the Old Testament is a direct translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, obviously not, if there exists differences...For example, the Isaiah 7:14:
Yeshayahu - Isaiah - Chapter 7
14 Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel.
Here in the Hebrew Scriptures is says that it is a young woman that is currently with child, not that she will be with child in an indeterminate future time...
As opposed to:
KJV
Isa 7:14**Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
This translation has changed the word “young woman” to “virgin” and has replaced the current time words “is with child” with the future time words “shall conceive”...
So, how am I being anti-Christian by pointing these errors out?...
Another point is that Christians believe that Cain and Abel were conceived and born after Adam and Chava’s expulsion from Gan Eden because of the bad translation of the Hebrew, it actually says,”And Adam had known his wife, Chava and she conceived....”, not “And Adam knew his wife, Eve and she conceived...”, the former translation indicates that the conception and birth took place before the act of disobedience, which makes sense because G-d had told them to be fruitful and multiply after He had created them and before the transgression, and the latter translation indicates that the conception and birth took place after the expulsion..
There are many others...
So, again, how is pointing these things out anti-Christian?...
modern jewish bibles are translated from the corrupted masoretic text
And your link is not relevant to the Jewish Tanakh, it is a Christian site...
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