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Old 08-02-2019, 11:06 AM
 
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Hi everyone! I hope this is the right forum for this question. Rabbi Michael Skobac (Jews for Judaism) says it’s impossible for Jesus to be the Messiah. He cites issues of improper tracing of tribal lineage on both sides of Jesus’ line (adoptive father, Joseph, came from the cursed line of Jeconiah; mother, Mary, cannot pass down tribal lineage due to gender). Is he right?

Things like this really scramble my faith. 🙃
Jesus is not the Messiah the Jews were expecting that is why they rejected Him. They were waiting for a worldly King from their War God to lead them to defeat their enemies. Jesus is the Messiah who God ACTUALLY intended to send, a spiritual King to correct their primitive and barbaric beliefs about God and connect us all with the True God who IS agape love. Too many people say the Bible is to be interpreted spiritually but most, in fact, interpret it carnally with worldly expectations.
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Old 08-02-2019, 11:55 PM
 
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But there was sexual intercourse between Mary and her half brother Joseph, ...
...and all these years I've been thinking this Mary was a virgin!
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Old 08-03-2019, 12:54 AM
 
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Jesus is not the Messiah the Jews were expecting that is why they rejected Him. They were waiting for a worldly King from their War God to lead them to defeat their enemies. Jesus is the Messiah who God ACTUALLY intended to send, a spiritual King to correct their primitive and barbaric beliefs about God and connect us all with the True God who IS agape love. Too many people say the Bible is to be interpreted spiritually but most, in fact, interpret it carnally with worldly expectations.
...and of course, Christians would know more about the Jewish messiah that the Jews themselves wouldn't they.
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Old 08-03-2019, 02:15 AM
 
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The Rabbi is wrong.
And you know this how?...
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Old 08-03-2019, 02:25 AM
 
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You are wrong, so go and stand in the corner like a good child while I correct you.

Nope! What I am saying is, that just as Abraham sired Isaac, the son of God's promise, by his consensual sexual union (NOT RAPE) with his half sister Sarah, so too, Mary conceived in her worm the man Jesus, by her consensual sexual union (NOT RAPE) with Joseph the son of Alexander Helios/Heli, who was her father also, but by a different mother to her half brother Joseph.

The man Jesus, was a human being, born of the flesh as you were, from the semen of your father that had been introduced into the uterus of your mother, and he 'Jesus' was the Prophet that the Lord told Moses that he would raise up from among the Israelites in Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; where the Lord said; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed MY WORDS, which he shall speak in MY NAME, I will punish, etc.

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when, concerning the man Jesus, he says in. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" Verifying that they, like myself, believed Jesus to be a man, but the one that God had promised that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in HIS NAME.

Although you should have known, that I believe that Jesus was a man who was born of the flesh as all men are, and chosen by the Lord to speak in HIS NAME. That is, unless you are one of those poor souls who lack the ability to comprehend that which they read.
Devarim - Deuteronomy - Chapter 34

10 And there was no other prophet who arose in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,

How can that be when no other prophet like Moses arose in Israel?...So, this cannot be referring to Jesus...
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Old 08-03-2019, 09:38 AM
 
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...and of course, Christians would know more about the Jewish messiah than the Jews themselves wouldn't they.
If they believe Jesus and the God He revealed and unambiguously demonstrated, Yes! That is what would make them Christian.
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Old 08-03-2019, 10:44 AM
 
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If they believe Jesus and the God He revealed and unambiguously demonstrated, Yes! That is what would make them Christian.
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Old 08-03-2019, 10:48 AM
 
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And you know this how?...
Because I trust the apostles more than some random rabbi.
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Old 08-03-2019, 10:49 AM
 
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If they believe Jesus and the God He revealed and unambiguously demonstrated, Yes! That is what would make them Christian.
I have yet to see that you trust the God that Jesus revealed. You are constantly attempting to discredit his Word.
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Old 08-03-2019, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Devarim - Deuteronomy - Chapter 34

10 And there was no other prophet who arose in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,

How can that be when no other prophet like Moses arose in Israel?...So, this cannot be referring to Jesus...
It sure couldn't be talking about the Jesus being presented by Christians and their barbaric ways of persecuting or killing anyone who dares to believe Moses, as if the Messiah comes against Moses. If Jesus was against Moses, he wouldn't be a Messiah, he would be a false prophet whose followers persecute anyone who follows the commandments of God.

How strange is it when after 2000 years of Christian persecution, a Christian calls Judaism barbaric?
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