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Old 07-01-2019, 11:48 AM
 
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''All will not be saved'' . . . your words, refutes Universalism. If all will not be saved then all will not have eternal life.
But energy can not be destroyed...
Hitler has eternal life...sure, in some weird place...but still.

Ref: Arthur Ford, only one to contact Houdini and know his 'code'...passed in 1970.
Spilled the beans on Hitler and others....Kennedy, Lincoln, suicides, a baby with sudden death...

 
Old 07-01-2019, 11:56 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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But energy can not be destroyed...
Hitler has eternal life...sure, in some weird place...but still.

Ref: Arthur Ford, only one to contact Houdini and know his 'code'...passed in 1970.
Spilled the beans on Hitler and others....Kennedy, Lincoln, suicides, a baby with sudden death...
The Biblical teaching is that all will be resurrected. Some to eternal life which means life in relationship with God, but others to judgment, and contempt and shame (Daniel 12:2). Unending existence is not what the Bible means by eternal life. All, according to the Bible will have eternal existence, but only those who have received Jesus as Savor will have an eternal relationship with God which is what is referred to as eternal life as opposed to mere eternal existence away from the presence of God in a spiritual sense.
 
Old 07-01-2019, 12:22 PM
 
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The Biblical teaching is that all will be resurrected.

Some to eternal life which means life in relationship with God, but others to judgment, and contempt and shame (Daniel 12:2). Unending existence is not what the Bible means by eternal life. All, according to the Bible will have eternal existence, but only those who have received Jesus as Savor will have an eternal relationship with God which is what is referred to as eternal life as opposed to mere eternal existence away from the presence of God in a spiritual sense.
Ah, Hitler is certainly away from the Glory of God...until he isn't...
might take 100s of thousands of yrs....but still. I have hope.
 
Old 07-01-2019, 01:14 PM
 
Location: the Kingdom of His dear Son
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If you understood and are in agreement with what A. T. Robertson said regarding Matthew 25:46 then you can't honestly deny that Matthew 25:46 refutes Universalism.
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Whatever! The Master Physician is also the Master of Reconciliation!

You think salvation is limited to this age. You think salvation ends before departure. Salvation, my friend, is in the present continuous tense & never expires>>>>but good until used!!

" It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you..."

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Old 07-01-2019, 01:22 PM
 
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Take 6, take 7, take many times

Please for the zillionth time tell us what are the qualification(s) for aionios kolasis for the goats & aionios zoe for the sheep?

According to the context of St. Matthew 25

They are?????

Do not hesitate Mikey: this is a simple exercise that even you can accomplish. Go for it!
 
Old 07-01-2019, 01:32 PM
 
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" It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you..."
The Bible Ages

The Doctrine of the Ages in the Bible
 
Old 07-01-2019, 01:56 PM
 
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Whatever! The Master Physician is also the Master of Reconciliation!

You think salvation is limited to this age. You think salvation ends before departure. Salvation, my friend, is in the present continuous tense & never expires>>>>but good until used!!

" It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you..."
You've already admitted in post #128 that not all men will be saved.

Post #128
''Dear Mikey: All will NOT be saved,
It is therefore a contradiction and an absurdity to attempt to argue for Universal salvation after having said that. You can't have it both ways. You can't say that Universal salvation is a reality and at the same time say that not all men will be saved.

You've also already admitted in post #125 that you agree with A. T. Robertson who said,
The word aiwnio (from aiwn, age, aevum, aei) means either without beginning or without end or both. It comes as near to the idea of eternal as the Greek can put it in one word. It is a difficult idea to put into language. Sometimes we have "ages of ages" (aiwne twn aiwnwn).
https://www.biblestudytools.com/comm...hew-25-46.html

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Old 07-01-2019, 02:12 PM
 
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You've already admitted in post #128 that not all men will be saved.
Follow the bouncing ball, Mike!

All men will not simply be saved, all mankind will be reconciled. Not some, not a few elect, not only the malista: the whole radical ALL!
 
Old 07-01-2019, 02:14 PM
 
Location: the Kingdom of His dear Son
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Take 6, take 7, take 8, take many times

Please for the zillionth time tell us what are the qualification(s) for aionios kolasis for the goats & aionios zoe for the sheep?

According to the context of St. Matthew 25

They are?????

Do not hesitate Mikey: this is a simple exercise that even you can accomplish. Go for it!
 
Old 07-01-2019, 02:18 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Follow the bouncing ball, Mike!

All men will not simply be saved, all mankind will be reconciled. Not some, not a few elect, not only the malista: the whole radical ALL!
You are now lying. You did not say that all men will not simply be saved. You said, ''''Dear Mikey: All will NOT be saved.'' And you even capitalized the word 'NOT.'

You are being dishonest and trying to slide around what you plainly said.

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