Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Christianity
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 07-20-2019, 02:32 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
33,230 posts, read 26,447,455 times
Reputation: 16370

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by MysticPhD View Post
There are myriad such off-beat interpretations simply because it is such a "freak-dream," as Arq called it. Each interpretation reflects the agenda and mindset of the one interpreting it.
No, it is not a freak dream. Revelation is a revelation from God the Father, to Jesus, to John who was told to write it down and give it to the seven churches. And it's pretty straight forward.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-20-2019, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
23,148 posts, read 10,445,085 times
Reputation: 2339
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike555 View Post
No Hannibal. The entire book of Revelation is not ''nothing but the feasts of Israel.'' And I don't know of anyone other than you that claims that it is, though there may be those who teach it. It's an offbeat interpretation of Revelation.
LOL, that is just so ridiculous.

Are you so bias against the 7 feasts of Jesus that you wont admit the truth, or is that what you really believe?

I could easily stand with millions of my own peers who are in the religion of Christ, and not one person in our religion would argue because the people who practice the same religion Jesus practiced, they know the feast days.

You are so biased against the 7 missions of Christ that you wont even study those 7 feasts to know whether I am right or wrong.

You are reading a book written by a Jew to other people in the same religion that had the same worship system in common.

Mike, is Jesus your Passover lamb?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2019, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
23,148 posts, read 10,445,085 times
Reputation: 2339
Ten days till your death, will you go all the way to death? YOU CHOOSE.

Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Look, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison to test you, and you will suffer tribulation for ten days. Be faithful even unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Whoever reads the book risks being put in prison for ten days, AND THIS IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN TO THEM

Will this literally happen to the reader of the book?

Why ten days?

Those ten days begin on Rosh Hashanah, and they end on Yom Kippur, everyone who practices the same religion as Christ, they know exactly what those ten days are, and why judgment has come.

What happens on Rosh Hashanah? What is Rosh Hashanah appointed to do? Why do you die on the tenth day? What prison can the devil put you in?

Last edited by Hannibal Flavius; 07-20-2019 at 02:55 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2019, 03:00 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
33,230 posts, read 26,447,455 times
Reputation: 16370
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius View Post
LOL, that is just so ridiculous.

Are you so bias against the 7 feasts of Jesus that you wont admit the truth, or is that what you really believe?

I could easily stand with millions of my own peers who are in the religion of Christ, and not one person in our religion would argue because the people who practice the same religion Jesus practiced, they know the feast days.

You are so biased against the 7 missions of Christ that you wont even study those 7 feasts to know whether I am right or wrong.

You are reading a book written by a Jew to other people in the same religion that had the same worship system in common.

Mike, is Jesus your Passover lamb?
Revelation was written by a Jewish Christian. Chapters 1-3 are addressed to the seven churches of Asia, with words of rebuke and praise to those churches which are representative of churches though out the church-age. No feasts if Israel there. Chapters 4-19 address the judgments that God will bring upon the earth during the Tribulation. Nothing about the feast days there either. Then we have the return of Jesus, the binding of Satan, a mention of the general resurrection of the saints, the temporary release of Satan, a final rebellion against God which is quickly put a stop to, the permanent casting of Satan into the lake of fire, the great white throne judgment in which all whose names are not in the book of life are sent into the lake of fire, the coming of the new heaven and earth.

The book of Revelation is God's final revelation to man, at least prior to the return of Jesus.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2019, 03:11 PM
 
9,588 posts, read 5,043,563 times
Reputation: 756
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius View Post
Revelation is not some mystery book to figure out, it is a book written to a man gone insane, a man who doesn't know what is happening.

When a Gentile converts to the religion of Christ and begins to love and study the temple and it's 7 feasts, Revelation happens to them, they don't figure it out, it literally happens to them.

Revelation isn't a book to study, it is a book of walking and fulfilling every single prophesy in the book, for instance, when you go insane after the second seal comes off, it's not you going out to purposely fulfill what must take place in the second seal, in the second trumpet and in the second bowl.

You have to fulfill all of it, and so how would I fulfill what takes place at the second seal?

It simply happens to you, it is fulfilled in you, and what is written in the book is just half of it.

For instance.

Your whole family, your parents, your kids, and your wife will all have the same dream in the same night about how you died but was not dead. You will have coincedences all day every day, and everything that happens will concince you that you are truly going to die, and Revelation doesn't happen to a single person, it happens to the entire family, they are all involved.

Revelation cannot take place in a Christian who will not love and study the 7 feasts, it can only take place in a person who is in the religion of Jesus, and Christians are just not in the religion Jesus loved and practiced.

Revelation is about the temple, about the 24 divisions of priests in their 3 sections, and in their HOUSE OF TRUMPETS. You are reading about the religion of the temple, why is this so hard to understand or accept? We can't just say,'' Jesus is our Passover lamb,'' without showing Jesus to be the other 6 feasts.

Make up your mind to study Christ in a way you can personally know him. Make up your mind to begin studying the religion of Jesus, simply accept what we claim Jesus is to us,'' All the sacrifices.

It doesn't mean you have to stop doing Christmas, it simply means that you have to make up your mind to commit yourself to seeking out Jesus.

Christians say,'' Jesus is my Passover lamb.''

Passover is just one day of 7 visitation days of the temple. YOU ARE THE TEMPLE.

Those 7 appointed visitation days are made for you, and the minuite you try and claim that Jesus is your Passover lamb, you have to keep going through the entire cycle.

Revelation is completely filled with Temple terminology because it is happening in the temple, in you, all the 7 feasts happening in you once you commit yourself to study and to love the 7 visitation days that Jesus has afforded you.

Revelation can only be understood in hindsight.

It can begin today, make up your mind today and make a deal with God. Tell God that you will commit to the study of the 7 feasts, and mean it.

It might just be that if you really pray in earnest, that maybe God will give the two witnesses power today.

If that should happen to you today, you will certainly know, and it will be seen in you until it breaks you.

1 John 5. Witnesses that testify
6This is he that came by water and blood,*even*Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.*7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.*8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one

Revelation begins to happen when God has given the two witnesses power, those two witnesses are parts of what you are, and should God give them power, you will find out that you are not alone.

It's always been astounding to me that no one reads and apparently takes to heart the first line of the first chapter = THE REVELATION (to reveal, uncover) OF JESUS CHRIST (WHERE is He now???), which we are told takes place in the Temple (know ye not ye are the temple of the Holy Ghost?), and that John was IN THE SPIRIT, on THE LORD'S DAY, IN that same Temple.

You comment above is spot on; "You don't figure it out, you experience it." In the beginning of our walk the Word defines the Spirit, but as we mature, the Spirit defines the Word, and He does that by making it literally life inside you, quickened by instantaneous understanding. But it requires DILIGENCE to study to shew oneself approved, and so few make it past their weekly sermonettes to be fed the meat of the Word. Blessings....
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2019, 03:17 PM
 
Location: New England
37,337 posts, read 28,293,297 times
Reputation: 2746
To me Revelation, depicts this hell hole of a life alienated from the mind of God then you discover the Christ of God in you and then you defeat all your enemies between your 2 ears in this hell hole ,and go on to live victoriously.

Be of good cheer in this life you will have tribulation, BUT, be of good cheer, don't worry your pretty little head, i have overcome it for you to have an abundant overcoming life in it
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2019, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
23,148 posts, read 10,445,085 times
Reputation: 2339
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike555 View Post
Revelation was written by a Jewish Christian. Chapters 1-3 are addressed to the seven churches of Asia, with words of rebuke and praise to those churches which are representative of churches though out the church-age. No feasts if Israel there. Chapters 4-19 address the judgments that God will bring upon the earth during the Tribulation. Nothing about the feast days there either. Then we have the return of Jesus, the binding of Satan, a mention of the general resurrection of the saints, the temporary release of Satan, a final rebellion against God which is quickly put a stop to, the permanent casting of Satan into the lake of fire, the great white throne judgment in which all whose names are not in the book of life are sent into the lake of fire, the coming of the new heaven and earth.

The book of Revelation is God's final revelation to man, at least prior to the return of Jesus.
Mike, Revelation is not written by a lawless Pagan Christian, it was written by a Jew who loved and practiced the same religion Jesus loved and practice.

Mike, the entire book is the temple in every chapter and the temple has 7 appointed comings and goings, what religion are you trying to put in the temple of God?

Why is it so hard for you to believe that the bible actually teaches it's own religion lol?

You are so stuck in your judgment against everyone else, that you just can't wait till God comes ruining the water and judging the wicked, and you can't imagine anything else.

YOU ARE THE WICKED, YOU ARE THE RIGHTEOUS.

But it's like you are drooling and impatient for God to come and punish everyone but you.

Mike, is Jesus your Passover lamb?

How would you claim that Jesus is your Passover lamb when you hate Passover? How do you actually claim that you have the holy spirit of Pentecost when you hate Pentecost?

Nobody is telling you to keep the holy days of Christ, I am telling you to study them, is it so bizarre that the 7 feasts of Christ teach about Jesus?

Does Passover teach of Jesus? Does Pentecost teach of Jesus?

LOL, bizarre.

You can't have it both ways Mike.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2019, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
23,148 posts, read 10,445,085 times
Reputation: 2339
Quote:
Originally Posted by pcamps View Post
To me Revelation, depicts this hell hole of a life alienated from the mind of God then you discover the Christ of God in you and then you defeat all your enemies between your 2 ears in this hell hole ,and go on to live victoriously.

Be of good cheer in this life you will have tribulation, BUT, be of good cheer, don't worry your pretty little head, i have overcome it for you to have an abundant overcoming life in it
It's a good choice of words, and it is my good opinion that this life, in this flesh, it really is the least of the kingdom of heaven, it is the outer court, it is hell. Hell is in fact, the outer court, and there is still salvation in that outer court.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2019, 03:34 PM
 
Location: New England
37,337 posts, read 28,293,297 times
Reputation: 2746
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius View Post
It's a good choice of words, and it is my good opinion that this life, in this flesh, it really is the least of the kingdom of heaven, it is the outer court, it is hell. Hell is in fact, the outer court, and there is still salvation in that outer court.
I do try to relate to 2019 Yes it is closer than breathing and the outer court (Sadly) for most of us is the reality. The veiled inner court leaves you 2nd guessing the true reaity of God
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-20-2019, 03:47 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
33,230 posts, read 26,447,455 times
Reputation: 16370
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius View Post
Mike, Revelation is not written by a lawless Pagan Christian, it was written by a Jew who loved and practiced the same religion Jesus loved and practice.
Christians are not lawless. But the Mosaic law has been superceded. The believer fulfills the royal law as James calls it in James 2:8 by loving his neighbor as himself.

Quote:
Mike, the entire book is the temple in every chapter and the temple has 7 appointed comings and goings, what religion are you trying to put in the temple of God?
No, it isn't. In the first place, as I've already said, Revelation chapters 1-3 are addressed to the seven churches of Asia which are representative of churches through out the church-age. It has nothing to do with the temple.


Quote:
Why is it so hard for you to believe that the bible actually teaches it's own religion lol?

You are so stuck in your judgment against everyone else, that you just can't wait till God comes ruining the water and judging the wicked, and you can't imagine anything else.
You're ranting again.

Quote:
YOU ARE THE WICKED, YOU ARE THE RIGHTEOUS.
One cannot be both at the same time


Quote:
But it's like you are drooling and impatient for God to come and punish everyone but you.
You're still ranting.


Quote:
Mike, is Jesus your Passover lamb?

How would you claim that Jesus is your Passover lamb when you hate Passover? How do you actually claim that you have the holy spirit of Pentecost when you hate Pentecost?

Nobody is telling you to keep the holy days of Christ, I am telling you to study them, is it so bizarre that the 7 feasts of Christ teach about Jesus?

Does Passover teach of Jesus? Does Pentecost teach of Jesus?

LOL, bizarre.

You can't have it both ways Mike.
The church observes the Eucharist or Lord's Supper which Jesus instituted at the last Supper, not the Passover. The church isn't Israel. The first Christians were Jews and did observe Passover as a matter of custom, but it wasn't necessary. And Jesus already came and is the reality that supercedes the Mosaic law, including the feast days which were merely the shadow of the reality (Galatians 3:23-25). You prefer the shadow instead of the reality.

Revelation is not about the feast days. It's God's revelation of things to come.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Religion and Spirituality > Christianity

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:58 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top