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This is a beautiful testimony! Now you are making me tear up! I remember that same feeling when I was involved with legalists and fundamentalists---that this longing to love everyone was weak and soft. How the gospel has been mangled to ever suggest otherwise. The experience you describe of having your eyes opened and the heart burst open with love and mercy is what this journey is all about. I hope you continue patiently pointing others in that direction.
True 'dat! A good example for some of us with less patience (I ain't gonna mention any names, particularly not mine)
This is a beautiful testimony! Now you are making me tear up! I remember that same feeling when I was involved with legalists and fundamentalists---that this longing to love everyone was weak and soft. How the gospel has been mangled to ever suggest otherwise. The experience you describe of having your eyes opened and the heart burst open with love and mercy is what this journey is all about. I hope you continue patiently pointing others in that direction.
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Originally Posted by Saintmarks
I really think I have always had a heart of love and mercy for everyone but shied away from truly living it or proclaiming it because I grew up around too many that were like these legalists. I really thought the bible, from the picking and choosing that these types preached was correct and I was weak inside with my desire to love any and all right where they were.
So many I know have walked away from Christianity and call the bible a book of fairy tales because of this same preaching and belief system. However, I have found the more you study the bible and use Jesus himself as the primary commentator on the scripture, it aligns with what I already felt internally but felt ashamed for having that innate sense.
What has caused me to not only abandon that line of legalistic thinking isn't so much a sloppy fall into mercy over everything else (even tho that isn't a bad mantra to live by) it was having my eyes opened both by the Spirit and by the actual whole word of God interpreted thru Jesus that has made me anti legalist/fundamentalist. Seeing that holding such a stance was the one thing that Jesus condemned (and did so rather harshly) was the final break in that prison of the mind. The grave clothes came off. No more dead preaching of the law for acceptance and love. No more need to condemn others to make myself right before God.
That these guys are so blind to the fact that their belief system is the modern day version of the pharisee that rejected Jesus.... It saddens me. I keep posting hoping that some seed will take root in some soil somewhere that hasn't hardened yet.
The hardest people are those that believe that God is on their side in their judgments. So sad.
Loving someone with the radical love and grace that Christ shows us, is difficult, it is also very brave and courageous. Especially loving those who despise you, or use you. I recently found out someone used my debit card number recently without my authorization or knowing about it. I'm finding it very difficult to love that person. One side of me is all like *FOAM!! KILL! KILL!!* but I know that isn't really how I feel. So even though it's hard, I love and forgive that person.
Grace is brave. Continue to be brave sibs.
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Can you for one second walk the extra mile as Jesus said for you to do? And put on the shoes of the other while doing so?
Have you ever walked alongside someone that grew up in the church and has heard your warning hundreds and hundreds of times and still finds themselves with desires that don't fit the norm? Strong hard wired desires that do not turn off at the push of a button ... or harsh firm words?
You act as if you have found some secret map or discovered some new formula and that your words will bring life and change. They don't. They only add to the guilt and burden and heartache and loneliness and seclusion and despair that someone faces when they don't line up internally with the norm.
Jesus had mercy for these. Jesus understands what they deal with. Would help you in your Christianity and the cause of Christ to allow his mercy to soften you. Your words of warning have not stopped one single person from being gay. Not one.
The message of the gospel is hindered by your stance. You might not feel angry giving them out, but that is not how they are received by your intended audience. Sexuality is not changed by scaring the hell into someone. You oppose Jesus when you do this and that is incredibly sad.
That's me, beeping on the fork lift.
I am not concern about people’s feelings. I am concerned that many have been led astray by very wicked people and their lies. If just one reader ponders the gravity of their transgression and the consequences, then mission accomplish. Perhaps they will turn from abomination and be saved from God’s wrath.
You are correct by saying Jesus is the perfect example. Read what He says about eternal damnation. It is harsh. It is graphic. It is Truth.
I am not concern about people’s feelings. I am concerned that many have been led astray by very wicked people and their lies. If just one reader ponders the gravity of their transgression and the consequences, then mission accomplish. Perhaps they will turn from abomination and be saved from God’s wrath.
You are correct by saying Jesus is the perfect example. Read what He says about eternal damnation. It is harsh. It is graphic. It is Truth.
I am not concern about people’s feelings. I am concerned that many have been led astray by very wicked people and their lies. If just one reader ponders the gravity of their transgression and the consequences, then mission accomplish. Perhaps they will turn from abomination and be saved from God’s wrath.
You are correct by saying Jesus is the perfect example. Read what He says about eternal damnation. It is harsh. It is graphic. It is Truth.
So you think homosexuality begins outside a person and is caused by lies of wicked people which led them astray. That without these wicked people leading others astray, there wouldn't be any sexual attraction of any kind outside the normal heterosexual one man/one woman virginal until married night kind of sexual identity.
Please give me a real life example of what that looks like, this evilness that leads otherwise normal heterosexual individuals into homosexuality.
The ones that had perverted the message and chose to follow their own religion. So stop it.
That doesn't describe us "Fundies" that actually follow the teachings of the apostles, his followers, and of him.
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True 'dat! A good example for some of us with less patience (I ain't gonna mention any names, particularly not mine)
