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Yet, another lie on the forum. You cannot personally love or hate anyone that you have never had a relationship, nor met, or even talked to. How is that even possible? The accusation ‘oh they hate so and so because they are gay or in fill in the blank’ is a modern day nonsense LIE to accuse people that disagrees with their transgressions.
And they wonder why many Christians feel that that LGBTQP are being controlled by the Evil one. It is all about lying to get what they want.
Who said anything about hating anyone? There were empty words without love toward Geekygurl. She has posted her story here and been very vulnerable with what she has experienced in the church. Yet she continues to love God with all she is and longs to find a community of believers who will love her and accept her with the same love she has found from God.
And here comes two more of you to pile on the condemnation that miraculously has not led her to forsake God and the church once and for all. She has heard everything you have said, everything the other has said time and time and time again. It hasn't changed her. Only made her despair. Do you not have a clue?
My youngest went off to college ready to chunk the church. I only found this out this year, after 3 years of college. The person that led her back to the fold? A minister to students in Chicago with a ministry at DePaul where she went her Freshman year. In him and in that group she met a people that loved all and didn't espouse a Republican party line to get in with God. The campus leader that ministered to her and kept her from falling away? Gay.
I am forever indebted to this gay minister for reaching out to my daughter and showing her an example of God's unconditional love. She is working in student ministry this day because of him and is growing in the Lord mightily.
That sir is love. Slamming someone with a ton of bible verses and refusing to know their story is not.
Yet, another lie on the forum. You cannot personally love or hate anyone that you have never had a relationship, nor met, or even talked to. How is that even possible? The accusation ‘oh they hate so and so because they are gay or in fill in the blank’ is a modern day nonsense Dishonesty to accuse people that disagrees with their transgressions.
And they wonder why many Christians feel that that LGBTQP are being controlled by the Evil one. It is all about lying to get what they want.
Of course you can love people you don't know. With God, it is possible to develop a heart of love for everyone--agape love.
Yet, another lie on the forum. You cannot personally love or hate anyone that you have never had a relationship, nor met, or even talked to. How is that even possible? The accusation ‘oh they hate so and so because they are gay or in fill in the blank’ is a modern day nonsense Dishonesty to accuse people that disagrees with their transgressions.
And they wonder why many Christians feel that that LGBTQP are being controlled by the Evil one. It is all about lying to get what they want.
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It does seem like what the LGBTQ get away with in social activism for inclusivity, they are actually laying the groundwork for right wing politics to remove the separation of Church and State. The only way to prevent that from happening because Christians cannot force people to believe in Jesus Christ, is to have a separation of LGBTQ's Ideology and State.
As it is, giving special rights to the minute minority over the majority is called tyranny.
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Just because Christians & non-Christians live in the Bible Belt, that doesn't mean they abide in His words in the King James Bible. Some of the LGBTQ's members live in the Bible Belt. Right?
More like, Christians are not abiding in His words and so they reap the consequences thereof. God does not have to do anything. If they sow to the flesh, they shall reap corruption.
Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
If they depart from the truth in believing a lie, God will permit strong delusions to occur.
1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
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Matthew 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
When believers are not rooted in the word & not relying on Jesus to be their Good Shepherd, they can go astray when mockers persecute them by that false science.
If they resort to their own powers by making commitments & promises instead of living by faith In Jesus Christ & His promises to us, they will fail in their walk with Him.
Galatians 3:1O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
Galatians 5:1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.... 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 7 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace. 8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ. 9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
So I say that what you see is just the consequences for not being rooted in His words in the King James Bible & for not relying on Jesus Christ & His promises to us to help us to follow Him.
Signs of the times. Jesus did give this question to serve as a warning in how bad it will be before His return as the Bridegroom.
Luke 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? 8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
He warned all Christians of the risk of not being found abiding in Him but found in unrepentant iniquity, to be left behind with the unbelievers to face the fire coming on one third of the earth and the great tribulation as a result.
Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
Paul warned this too.
1 Corinthians 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. 26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
So saved believers will be judged by what they build on that foundation ( 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 ) for why they, and even former believers, are called to look to Him for help to lay aside every weight & sin in departing from iniquity ( 2 Timothy 2:18-22 ).
So, yes, you see the bad, but that is proof that the Lord Jesus Christ will be coming back soon which is why I hope in His mercy in keeping me from falling & presenting me faultless as only He can Jude:1-24-25
Thumbs up for having balls to reply even though your "excuse" that LGBTQ people in the Bible Belt are the reason for social dysfunction, several types of the latter that are actually BECAUSE of religiosity. I've already provided a post quite a few pages back that there appears to be fewer LGBTQ in the Bible Belt than in other areas of the country.
Although I suspect, you, like other fundamentalists will refuse to view the data in the graph. To sum it up, only Texas has more than the average number of gays in the country among Bible Belt states. NC comes in at the average of 4%. All other Bible Belt states have FEWER gays as a percentage of population. So you can't blame the tremendous social dysfunction of the Bible Belt on gays.
Moreover the difference in the Bible Belt from all other regions of the country is that it is MORE religious, not less. The tie that binds is religion and social dysfunction that live in a direct relationship to one another. Your god is an epic fail for people.
And it's hard to understand how you can blame non-believers for teen pregnancy and porn addiction that is higher among evangelicals than the surrounding communities.
Finally, you are in no position to quote Scripture and interpret it. You are prime example of a religious extremist infected with a brain parasite (according to Psychology Today):
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In moderation, religious and spiritual practices can be great for a person’s life and mental well-being. But religious fundamentalism—which refers to the belief in the absolute authority of a religious text or leaders—is almost never good for an individual. This is primarily because fundamentalism discourages any logical reasoning or scientific evidence that challenges its scripture, making it inherently maladaptive.
It is not accurate to call religious fundamentalism a disease, because that term refers to a pathology that physically attacks the biology of a system. But fundamentalist ideologies can be thought of as mental parasites. A parasite does not usually kill the host it inhabits, as it is critically dependent on it for survival. Instead, it feeds off it and changes its behavior in ways that benefit its own existence. By understanding how fundamentalist ideologies function and are represented in the brain using this analogy, we can begin to understand how to inoculate against them, and potentially, how to rehabilitate someone who has undergone ideological brainwashing—in other words, a reduction in one’s ability to think critically or independently.
So we recognize the brainwashing you have undergone that makes you incapable of using logic. It still doesn't excuse you from being a horrible human being hating gays because of biblical mistranslations and failure to understand the context of Scripture.
And to see you praise the KJV Bible is a hoot for those of us who have studied church history. Good King James was a blazing homosexual himself, but quite like you in how hateful he was. Accused witches had never been murdered by the government until KJ concluded they had conjured up a storm to drown him on his way to France.
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A few years later after the controversy over his relationship with Lennox faded away he began a relationship with Robert Carr.[16] In 1607, at a royal jousting contest, the 17-year-old Carr, the son of Sir Thomas Carr or Kerr of Ferniehurst, was knocked from a horse and broke his leg. According to Thomas Howard, 1st Earl of Suffolk, James fell in love with the young man, and as the years progressed showered Carr with gifts,[17] Carr was made a gentleman of the bedchamber and he was noted for his handsome appearance as well as his limited intelligence; he was also made a Knight of the Garter, a Privy Counsellor and Viscount Rochester. His downfall came through Frances Howard, a beautiful young married woman. Upon Rochester's request, James stacked a court of bishops that would allow her to divorce her husband in order to marry Rochester. As a wedding present Rochester was created Earl of Somerset.
In 1615, James fell out with Somerset. In a letter James complained, among other matters, that Somerset had been "creeping back and withdrawing yourself from lying in my chamber, notwithstanding my many hundred times earnest soliciting you to the contrary" and that he rebuked James "more sharply and bitterly than ever my master Buchanan durst do".[18]
Any way I find it deliciously ironic that you are "in bed" so to speak with the homosexual who first had the entire Bible translated into English. It rivals the fundamentalist fondness for singing America the Beautiful on the Fourth of July, written by a lesbian college professor and socialist, Kathy Bates!
I love it!
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I had used scripture to explain why they cannot hold fellowship. God does not want them to.
I had used scripture for what churches are to do with unrepentant believers which is excommunication. I explained without scripture, that the excommunicated are welcome back in when they have repented. That topic can be found somewhat addressed by Paul in the second letter to the Corinthians in welcoming repentant excommunicated believers back in to the church.
She did cite her opinion that she was born that way and I share scripture where homosexuality comes from just so she can understand where I am are coming from Biblically as in love the sinner, but hate the sin.
Do consider that society have laws and if you break them, you are punished by the law. Do we see society as being hateful? Do we mock them and say you love others but yet you do this just because I do that?
So if she knew about what the scripture says as you claim, then why the questions? Why act like nobody can answer her questions? Just like you are doing, right now.
That would be considered mocking, would it not? And isn't mocking someone or a group of people, hateful?
Was her post with questions, a click bait? Her first 2 questions had an unfair blanket judgment. It could be.
But I would like to believe that she was being genuine in asking some of her questions in understanding where Christians ( in general ) are coming from and why they are not holding fellowship with her.
Any exchange with you seems rather moot on that point. Let her speak for herself.
You did not cite any scripture that tells the church to excommunicate the homosexual. You cited verses that dealt with temple idolatry and its affect on the church in Rome where men and women were giving up their natural heterosexual identity (to put it in today's terms) to participate in pagan temple worship which included sexual rites with temple prostitutes of both genders. This was something not common in Judea at the time, not something that the first disciples faced in Jerusalem with Jewish customs firmly entrenched in the community. But it was something Paul faced when going to cities like Corinth and Rome where pagan practices that included sexual rites were practiced. It is a warning about participating in such forms of idolatrous worship by these new Christians that were coming in without a background in Jewish tradition and scripture.
If it were a wholesale condemnation of homosexuality in the broader sense that we know it, it would be much more black and white from Paul and Jesus certainly would have spoken about it. Jesus did not. The closest he came was mentioning eunuchs, that some were born that way, some were made that way by men and some chose to be that way. "Let him who can accept this accept this." This is as close to a comment about homosexuality that Jesus made. Is it something that can be equated to the homosexual as well as the eunuch? Debatable. But it is speaking to those outside the cis-gendered norm. Did he condemn? No. Did he excommunicate? No.
Jesus did speak to someone caught in the most egregious sexual sin of the day, the woman caught in the act of adultery. He walked in amongst a group of zealots ready to permanently excommunicate her. His words after he asked where were her accusers (none of them were without sin apparently as they all left at his instruction on who could excommunicate her permanently): NEITHER DO I CONDEMN YOU.
So why are you condemning this one on our thread?
Please, get outside your religious tradition that makes the word of God of little effect and study to show yourself approved before you go and condemn like this. Clang, clang, clang.
As in being politically motivated. They have been successful in silencing the majority with consequences for saying no to them by calling it a hate speech or bullying. The idea of inclusivity is hypocritical at best because they want special rights to impose LGBTQ's ideology on others to accept or else while rejecting Christians' fundamentalism.
It does seem like what the LGBTQ get away with in social activism for inclusivity, they are actually laying the groundwork for right wing politics to remove the separation of Church and State. The only way to prevent that from happening because Christians cannot force people to believe in Jesus Christ, is to have a separation of LGBTQ's Ideology and State.
As it is, giving special rights to the minute minority over the majority is called tyranny.
Of course you can love people you don't know. With God, it is possible to develop a heart of love for everyone--agape love.
The hatred or love is not in the of that description. Agape is separate than what is used in the context.
This linguistic gymnastics is just part of the fantasy occupied by many on the board. It is futile to discuss logic and I won’t be drawn into that weird little world. I live in reality where your gender is not based on what you feel like, men cannot be menstruating, and LGTBQP is somehow compatible with Christian faith.
Thumbs up for having balls to reply even though your "excuse" that LGBTQ people in the Bible Belt are the reason for social dysfunction, several types of the latter that are actually BECAUSE of religiosity. I've already provided a post quite a few pages back that there appears to be fewer LGBTQ in the Bible Belt than in other areas of the country.
Although I suspect, you, like other fundamentalists will refuse to view the data in the graph. To sum it up, only Texas has more than the average number of gays in the country among Bible Belt states. NC comes in at the average of 4%. All other Bible Belt states have FEWER gays as a percentage of population. So you can't blame the tremendous social dysfunction of the Bible Belt on gays.
Moreover the difference in the Bible Belt from all other regions of the country is that it is MORE religious, not less. The tie that binds is religion and social dysfunction that live in a direct relationship to one another. Your god is an epic fail for people.
And it's hard to understand how you can blame non-believers for teen pregnancy and porn addiction that is higher among evangelicals than the surrounding communities.
Finally, you are in no position to quote Scripture and interpret it. You are prime example of a religious extremist infected with a brain parasite (according to Psychology Today): https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...acks-the-brain
So we recognize the brainwashing you have undergone that makes you incapable of using logic. It still doesn't excuse you from being a horrible human being hating gays because of biblical mistranslations and failure to understand the context of Scripture.
And to see you praise the KJV Bible is a hoot for those of us who have studied church history. Good King James was a blazing homosexual himself, but quite like you in how hateful he was. Accused witches had never been murdered by the government until KJ concluded they had conjured up a storm to drown him on his way to France.
Any way I find it deliciously ironic that you are "in bed" so to speak with the homosexual who first had the entire Bible translated into English. It rivals the fundamentalist fondness for singing America the Beautiful on the Fourth of July, written by a lesbian college professor and socialist, Kathy Bates!
I love it!
Very interesting about James' relationships! Thank you.
Thumbs up for having balls to reply even though your "excuse" that LGBTQ people in the Bible Belt are the reason for social dysfunction, several types of the latter that are actually BECAUSE of religiosity. I've already provided a post quite a few pages back that there appears to be fewer LGBTQ in the Bible Belt than in other areas of the country.
Nowhere did I post that the LGBTQ people in the Bible Belt are the reason for social dysfunction. You must be confusing me with some other poster or post.
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Although I suspect, you, like other fundamentalists will refuse to view the data in the graph. To sum it up, only Texas has more than the average number of gays in the country among Bible Belt states. NC comes in at the average of 4%. All other Bible Belt states have FEWER gays as a percentage of population. So you can't blame the tremendous social dysfunction of the Bible Belt on gays.
Obviously, you have not read my post very well. I cited why Christians in the Bible Belt were the way you cited them. Just because they live in the Bible Belt, it does not mean they are abiding in His words.
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Moreover the difference in the Bible Belt from all other regions of the country is that it is MORE religious, not less. The tie that binds is religion and social dysfunction that live in a direct relationship to one another. Your god is an epic fail for people.
All you are arguing for is that anarchy is better by not having any rules at all, but I am pretty sure that is not the direction you are rooting for.
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And it's hard to understand how you can blame non-believers for teen pregnancy and porn addiction that is higher among evangelicals than the surrounding communities.
The problem with Christians in America and that includes me, is that we have to be on guard against society's influence thru the media, and literature and we are not always discerning what we should not be watching nor listening to. When we compromise the scripture, we allow corruptions to cause us to fall.
The Good News is that for those that fall, they are still free to call on Jesus Christ for forgiveness and the help to get out of the sins they are in.
I am sure that when you do something wrong, you do not blame God for that. So I do not know why you think God failed when Christians ignore His words and sin. We need Him as our Good Shepherd everyday to help us to follow Him, and since He dwells in us and is with us always, He will help us to do that. I certainly need His help to keep my eyes on Him through the trials in my life.
Everywhere we look; the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life is influencing America for why Christians & non-Christians are having problems with teen pregnancy & porn.
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Finally, you are in no position to quote Scripture and interpret it. You are prime example of a religious extremist infected with a brain parasite (according to Psychology Today): https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/b...acks-the-brain
That is just a baiting. You cannot prove I am in no position to quote scripture & interpret it because that would require you to be in position to quote scripture & interpret it correctly to prove it.
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So we recognize the brainwashing you have undergone that makes you incapable of using logic. It still doesn't excuse you from being a horrible human being hating gays because of biblical mistranslations and failure to understand the context of Scripture.
Now you are misrepresenting me by saying that I had posted I hate gay people. They are sinners the same as everybody else. Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners whom I am chief.
Can a former alcoholic try to warn people about alcoholism without sounding like he hates drunks?
So former sinners can warn other people about lust and what it can do to our lives without sounding like a bigot.
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And to see you praise the KJV Bible is a hoot for those of us who have studied church history. Good King James was a blazing homosexual himself, but quite like you in how hateful he was. Accused witches had never been murdered by the government until KJ concluded they had conjured up a storm to drown him on his way to France.
Any way I find it deliciously ironic that you are "in bed" so to speak with the homosexual who first had the entire Bible translated into English. It rivals the fundamentalist fondness for singing America the Beautiful on the Fourth of July, written by a lesbian college professor and socialist, Kathy Bates!
I love it!
Sorry. King James was not a homosexual and the other half of that rumor is that he changed the scripture in the KJV BUT the scripture condemning homosexuality as an abomination and why God gave some of the sinners who love the creature more than the Creator over to homosexuality, are still found in the Bible.
I know all about the slander on King James being a homosexual, but if you do not want to be misled by misinformation, I suggest whatever you search for; search for what the opposite side is saying.
BTW I have heard of no fundamentalist fondness for singing America the Beautiful. I do not think you can name one. I am sure Americans in general like the song, but even Christian songs are to be discerned by Christians, and they are not doing that. Not all hymns in the hymnals are scriptural nor is it the Father's will for them to be singing when they focus on the Holy Spirit in worship when the only way to honor the Father in worship is by honoring the Son; John 5:22-23. The glory of God rests on the Son; John 13:31-32 The only way to come to God the Father in worship is by honoring the Son in worship; John 14:6 That is the mind of Christ we are supposed to have in exalting the name of the Son of God above every other name to the glory of God the Father; Philippians 2:5-13 That is how bad Christians have lost the way because of the modified ecumenical Nicene creed of 381 A.D. for why God has to judge His House first ( 1 Peter 4:17-19 ) when He comes back as the Bridegroom. Many saved believers found in iniquity, will be left behind, but He is faithful in the keeping of their souls while they suffer the fire coming on the earth and the great tribulation as a result.
I understand that you are not seeking, but Jesus Christ will appear soon, and USA & one third of the earth will burn up in paving the way for the rest of the world in the New World Order and the great tribulation.
If you live in USA, when He appears and you find yourself left behind; just know His promise that all those who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved regardless of the impending fiery doom that shall come.
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