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I will never cheer for my sister, brother, mother, father, or anyone to engage in a behavior that is wrong, immoral, or damaging to them or anyone else.
It is not up to you to decide, nor for you to pass-out your so called moral judgments. What you are being asked to do is accept people for the way they are born, especially, if it is not harming them or anyone else. And, give them the same right or benefits that you (yourself) want. The laws are predicated on equality, not on your religious convictions, so stop trying to convict other people, while hiding behind the bible and your own moral stance and that of discriminating against those not born the same way you were. And saying this does not make me a hateful person, but many of your replies are just ignorant.
Interesting to read all visceral negative responses when mentioning the prime action required with the Lord
Phil 6
6Be anxious for nothing, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.
You just don't seem to be catching on KJoe. There is NO REASON for a gay person - i.e, the actual person that lives within their skin - to 'pray away their gay'. It's only those ones such as yourself that has an issue with them. Gay people shouldn't even give your ignorant personal thoughts on the matter a second of their time. I don't usually like to do this but, yes, that was an insult with regard to the thoughts behind your silly posts.
That said - and here is MY advice to you - it's YOU that should perhaps pray away whatever hellish demon lives within your skin and drives you to post such asinine messages to this board. Savvy? Of course you don't.
It is not up to you to decide, nor for you to pass-out your so called moral judgments. What you are being asked to do is accept people for the way they are born, especially, if it is not harming them or anyone else. And, give them the same right or benefits that you (yourself) want. The laws are predicated on equality, not on your religious convictions, so stop trying to convict other people, while hiding behind the bible and your own moral stance and that of discriminating against those not born the same way you were. And saying this does not make me a hateful person, but many of your replies are just ignorant.
That statement there is a moral statement. I reject your subjective morality.
But for the record, I will correct your malicious lying statement and say, for the record, that I do not approve of anyone being mistreated or discriminated against. Why do you have to be so intolerant?
You just don't seem to be catching on KJoe. There is NO REASON for a gay person - i.e, the actual person that lives within their skin - to 'pray away their gay'. It's only those ones such as yourself that has an issue with them. Gay people shouldn't even give your ignorant personal thoughts on the matter a second of their time. I don't usually like to do this but, yes, that was an insult with regard to the thoughts behind your silly posts.
That said - and here is MY advice to you - it's YOU that should perhaps pray away whatever hellish demon lives within your skin and drives you to post such asinine messages to this board. Savvy? Of course you don't.
That statement there is a moral statement. I reject your subjective morality.
But for the record, I will correct your malicious lying statement and say, for the record, that I do not approve of anyone being mistreated or discriminated against. Why do you have to be so intolerant?
Well what about just the facts, Joe Friday?
Why are all those social ills occurring in the Bible Belt? You know, poverty, poor education, lack of adequate healthcare, higher divorce rates, higher teen pregnancies, more porn addiction, and higher AIDS infections? You know, that old Bible of yours, worshipped by so many in the Bible Belt, would surely bring peace and tranquility, eh?
And now I’ve discovered another. The highest concentration of hate groups per million people is primarily found where? You got it, the Bible Belt. Now none of them took the top two spots, but the next eight are all in the god-fearing Bible Belt.
If the many fundamentalist “christians” there aren’t hateful, why so many, often Bible waving bigots, to be found where your religion dominates?
The common denominator, over and over, is ultra conservative Bible worship and love and devotion to god’s own party. Does the fundamentalist agenda drive the party or does the party determine who to disenfranchise and all the religious morons follow by saying, “Okay, I can hate that group, too?”
Some sources specifically cite religion as a factor in the figures.
But wise old you will give all of us an answer or be faced with being classified once again as a liar, coward, and protector of evil as well as a projector of evil.
These questions are simply overlooked because you have no answer, and they do look bad. AND they make that god of yours as awful as you. The result of worshiping your god, your way, is unspeakable misery on millions of its own followers.
Now, if you can provide alternate data from a reliable source, please do so. I son’t want your opinion, just the facts as Joe Friday always insisted.
That statement there is a moral statement. I reject your subjective morality.
But for the record, I will correct your malicious lying statement and say, for the record, that I do not approve of anyone being mistreated or discriminated against. Why do you have to be so intolerant?
Let me ask you a question - is it objectively true that lying is always immoral?
If so, then telling the truth would be the moral thing to do - is that correct?
Does it really matter at all what they respond with? You're going to call them names, curse them, etc..etc...
Then a bunch of hatemongers will jump on the bandwagon and accuse all Christians of bigotry. We've seen this before. The 1000 page thread just got closed. This one will probably also get closed in about 900 pages so a new one can start. It doesn't matter what is said, because you and others here will simply pile on with your own narrative.
I wondered who had rep me, but it doesn't say. Curiosity git the best of me, but I'm done.
Anyway, as you pointed out in your own way, discussion is not what's really going on here. The spirit of the discussion has them having a hard time addressing the issue without attacking the poster personally.
Kind of like since we are not perfect yet, and even though we are to look to Jesus Christ to help us not to sin daily, it justifies them to continue on sinning without looking to Jesus Christ for help not to sin daily.
My former church would say, no sin is greater than any other sin, to justify Christians living in unrepentant sin, and yet they would think twice about saying it to a bigot since they'd be justifying the bigot as well.
Since I should depart again, I shall leave a link to a youtube video for readers that best addresses the issues of Transgender's Ideology in Christ's love. Although it addresses the causes of various transgenders' mindset by a former unsaved sinner, it also exposes the harm the world's media & the LGBTQ will not admit to while providing the answer of Christ to those in the LGBTQ community that are in turmoil.
Interesting to read all visceral negative responses when mentioning the prime action required with the Lord
Phil 6
6Be anxious for nothing, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.
Did you ever think the visceral reactions might be because "pray the gay away" was flippant? And then to support a flippant remark with a scripture verse about prayer...and accuse everyone else of rejecting "the prime action required of the Lord?"
Whatever side of the argument you are on, I think most can agree that bumper sticker spiritual advice is hurtful and disrespectful regardless of where it is applied.
The prime action required of the Lord is love, not prayer, although prayer is important. Last night, I was reading a little book about Jesus' ministry. It was showing examples of how the law was interpreted when one law clashed with another. There had to be an argument made for a momentary hierarchy of laws, so you know which one to apply to the situation of conflict. This is always the case. Like healing on the sabbath, or the Good Samaritan parable about purity laws.
This trips up fundamentalists and legalists because they tend to privilege purity codes, and certainty, above all else. You think LGBT is "impure" therefore there can't be a situation where God would ask you to accept and affirm them. Yet there is! This is exactly the point of the New Covenant. These codes and laws are surpassed and fulfilled by love. And love is love---it is simply not loving to tell an LGBT person to remain unpartnered, or to remain in a gender body that doesn't match their core persona. You may think there is nothing that could be more important to God than these religious codes of purity, just like in the Good Samaritan parable, but there IS. And not only can you overlook them, you must. You think that it causes a moment of uncertainty, so it can't be from God, but it is.
And if this isn't a clash of "laws" where you need to choose the greater principle, I don't know what is. No matter what side you choose, you will have to make a case for it, just like Jesus had to explain why he did what he did. And your side simply hasn't made that case. "It's wrong. It's un-natural. Some scripture verses are against it." That's not a case! You have to make a case just like Jesus did---a compelling ethical imperative, not a dry repetition of laws or verses.
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