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I dunno, I was readng about cherubs, and they are not what is depicted usually (a baby with wings). It was a biped with two wings and four heads and shiny bull feet. Most definitely not something I would want to WooHoo with.
If you could just put a 'period" after the bold, and leave it at that, we would be in agreement. All have sinned. We all do our best. Only God knows people's hearts. It isn't up to us to judge. The rest...after the bolded statements is just personal interpretation about how others live their lives. And the "fruit" isn't yours to judge, but if you are looking for fruit, look and see if you can find this in LGBT brothers and sisters:
Galatians 5:22
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."
Or these fruits, that Jesus mentioned:
caring for the sick, the poor, orphans, widows, generosity, compassion, serving others, self-sacrifice, humility, honesty, faithfulness. And if your LGBT brothers and sisters have THOSE, you cannot deny that is evidence of the Holy Spirit.
Don't tell that to "saint" or he will call you a Pharisee.
Yes, there are fruits of the Spirit, and there are works which stem from the Spirit, and there are also 'works of the flesh'.
"Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."
I said earlier that God will be ultimate judge, but sometimes it becomes very obvious who is and isn't right with God.
Peter called him righteous, so maybe you too can accept the fact that his faith was counted against him as righteousness.
Or you can judge him as unrighteous. Whatever you say wont change how God viewed him. He knew his heart, and you don't.
2 Peter 2:7 and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked 8 (for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard);
3 Gal 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
They wanted to commit homosexual rape, but not a whiff for you. If that does not give you a hint, then nothing will. It is called denial.
Our prisons aren't full of homosexual men, but they frequently rape to humiliate other prisoners. Does that make them "homosexuals?" It was, and probably still is, such a huge problem that the Federal government passed a "Rape" Law to govern federal prisons:
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The Prison Rape Elimination Act (PREA) was passed in 2003 with unanimous support from both parties in Congress. The purpose of the act was to “provide for the analysis of the incidence and effects of prison rape in Federal, State, and local institutions and to provide information, resources, recommendations and funding to protect individuals from prison rape.
The rape in Sodom was about humiliation, just as prison inmates do to one another. And rejection of women was no big deal---they were just property to be used.
In addition, it is quite curious about the dual nature of two similar stories in the Bible:
In Judges 19, the same kind of inhospitable males showed up to rape an overnight male guest of a old man in Gibeah. The old man refuses and offered instead his own virgin daughter and the concubine of his guest.
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“No, my friends, don’t be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don’t do this disgraceful thing. Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don’t do such a disgraceful thing.”
25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go
Judges 19:23-25
Further, the guest finds his concubine unresponsive at the front door the next morning, so he cuts her into twelve parts and sends each part to a different tribe of Israel. Those who witnessed it state that they had never seen such a thing since the Israelites came out of Egypt.
Bottom line--the two stories come from a similar sources and serve a similar purpose of showing how evil men want to humiliate other men by rape. But neither Lot nor the Levite in Judges are anything but men committing despicable acts. What purpose sending the body parts to the different tribes of Israel was supposed to serve is a huge question mark.
"Oh, look Martha, here's a stinking hunk of putrefied abdomen that arrived in the mail parcel post. Let's celebrate."
Pure myth.
Now I do believe God thought of Lot as righteous despite Lot being a callous, inconsiderate, unloving father who was willing to have his daughters desecrated. After all, they were just property--and valuable property as unmarried virgins.
Because God loves despicable human beings---like you.
it falls under fornication and adultry.. and probably to covet.
Really? What about celibate LGBT people, like myself? You kinda have to WooHoo to fornicate, don't you? Same with adultery and lust. No WooHoo, no adultery. And since I'm not interested in WooHoo...what lust, where?
(WooHoo is a euphemism for sex in The Sims, and I shall continue to use it because it makes me laugh)
Don't tell that to "saint" or he will call you a Pharisee.
Yes, there are fruits of the Spirit, and there are works which stem from the Spirit, and there are also 'works of the flesh'.
"Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."
I said earlier that God will be ultimate judge, but sometimes it becomes very obvious who is and isn't right with God.
You've got such a GREAT handle on what God likes and doesn't like, why won't you detail for us why God treats the Bible Belt with such disdain?
You haven't an answer for the fact that the Bible Belt has more crime, including murder, than other regions of the county, has poorer education, worse healthcare, higher divorce rates, more porn addiction, more teen pregnancies (especially among the highly religious), more porn addiction (among the highly religious), more likely to be home to hate groups (some waving your brand of the bible), and even more new AIDS cases in spite of having fewer reported gays than the national average. Everywhere we look, YOUR religion ends up destroying people around it, making their lives miserable, leaving them hungry, without health care, and more likely to steal or murder. It makes them less likely to have stable marriages and because of sexual repression by fundamentalists, more likely to resort to porn to find their "jollies."
And, now---it appears hunger (the report calls it "food insecurity"} is greater in the Bible Belt than any other region of the nation. Here is the link so you can look at the map yourself: https://map.feedingamerica.org/
If your Bible beliefs "help" people, why hasn't it shown up where vermin fundamentalists are most prevalent?
You won't respond to this because it is a FACT, and I'm not being hateful when just pointing out the facts (according to you).
And notice, dear readers, no fundamentalist on any of these pages, KJoe, BF, jeffbase, unfailing presence, n..Xupia, nor the greatest coward of them all, FinnJarber, has the balls to give a lucid answer to these plain facts.
The rape in Sodom was about humiliation, just as prison inmates do to one another. And rejection of women was no big deal---they were just property to be used.
Prison inmates do it for sexual release and sometimes to humiliate. Often times a younger and weaker inmate is made into a homosexual slave, and then sold to other inmates for sex.
As for Sodom, it was not what happened with the angel which doomed them, they were already doomed by their past sexual conduct, which Peter mentions. God had already decided to destroy them when the angels were there.
Story of one inmate, who was gay-raped more times than he can count.
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I've been sentenced for a D.U.I. offense. My 3rd one. When I first came to prison, I had no idea what to expect. Certainly none of this. I'm a tall white male, who unfortunately has a small amount of feminine characteristics. And very shy. These characteristics have got me raped so many times I have no more feelings physically. I have been raped by up to 5 black men and two white men at a time. I've had knifes at my head and throat. I had fought and been beat so hard that I didn't ever think I'd see straight again. One time when I refused to enter a cell, I was brutally attacked by staff and taken to segragation though I had only wanted to prevent the same and worse by not locking up with my cell mate. There is no supervision after lockdown. I was given a conduct report. I explained to the hearing officer what the issue was. He told me that off the record, He suggests I find a man I would/could willingly have sex with to prevent these things from happening. I've requested protective custody only to be denied. It is not available here. He also said there was no where to run to, and it would be best for me to accept things . . . . I probably have AIDS now. I have great difficulty raising food to my mouth from shaking after nightmares or thinking to hard on all this. . . . I've laid down without physical fight to be sodomized. To prevent so much damage in struggles, ripping and tearing. Though in not fighting, it caused my heart and spirit to be raped as well. Something I don't know if I'll ever forgive myself for.
— A.H., Indiana, 8/30/96 https://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/voices.html
It happens all the time in US prisons, but the gay agenda doesn't care about them.
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If you could just put a 'period" after the bold, and leave it at that, we would be in agreement. All have sinned. We all do our best. Only God knows people's hearts. It isn't up to us to judge. The rest...after the bolded statements is just personal interpretation about how others live their lives. And the "fruit" isn't yours to judge, but if you are looking for fruit, look and see if you can find this in LGBT brothers and sisters:
Galatians 5:22
"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."
Or these fruits, that Jesus mentioned:
caring for the sick, the poor, orphans, widows, generosity, compassion, serving others, self-sacrifice, humility, honesty, faithfulness
Col 1:19
¶
For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell,
Col 1:20
and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
Col 1:21
¶
And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled
Col 1:22
in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—
but salvation starts and ends right there..
no matter what fruits they appear to have unless it is happening there it has not happened for real... they are just a show , a game any demon can play at .... .
the house is just swept clan and the state of the man will be 7 times worse....
so sure you can embrace the fact we were sinners and we are bring set free only in Jesus christ..... but
as long as they are getting free... and the Spirit is allowed to set them free.. meaning if they refuse to admit it is sin.. or they are also not giving the Lord right to change it/ heal it/ untangle them from it. to set the captives free from sins/ oathes and feelings and unforgiveness/ judgments, vows and curses...
remember the house can appear to be swept clean.. but only time will tell.. by this fruit..
Mat 12:45
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Luk 11:26
Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
they demons gone..but those oathes/ vows /unforgiveness and thus.. sins .. and thus those sins that will hold them to hell.
so appearence mean nothing if the holy spirit isn't allowed in them to set them free of their sins.
they can pretend to do good works as if they were saved.. but these are just exactly like the
Mat 7:21
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“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
Mat 7:23
And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
the key concept there is them truly be workers of lawlessness ....
meaning they are doing lawlesness..
and thus the state of the man was 7 times worse in the end .. if it is not in true relationship and with the real Holy Spirit! the church age Laodicea is the example of ultimate lawlessness without relationship. and we know what his words to them are and they would also hold true here.
only time will let those tales tell their truth.. hum..... no matter which pack of lawless sins ( vows, oath, curses , judgment etc = and the demons attached to those things ) "Christians" that they carry.. it will end seven times worse.. for the fake relationship and those who refuse to read the word and wash their minds in his truths and the let the holy spirit release them from their sins precept by precept line byline..... thus his words to the last church age hold true now more than ever.
I do hope that many are set free.. I know it is a wicked pack of powers that they are sujects of and under. yes grace can set them free////but grace is not a license to keep sinning ..
Elijah couldn't handle those attacks and the fear that is created..all by himself.and those were not even his sins...... neither will they, not without a true personal and honest and trusting relationship with the Lord of creation and the strength to hold on to him for their lives... for real...
so only time can tell what was real and what was just emotional.. junk... relearning some pretend precepts adn special magical prayers....of
"christianity" and just another way of flaming.(like pretending to be a woman, and pretending to be married etc) .and the pretend sweeping of their houses. but where lawlessness still rules in their hearts!
it can't really be faked in the long run.
I hope that soon the Leodieans in this churches age.. begin to take him seriously about his offer.
Unbridled lust is characteristic of the gay community.
That is untrue, Jeff. A Pastor friend is gay, he has been with his husband for over two decades. Approaching three. Almost thirty years. A lesbian couple I know, have been together since just after high school. I know all four of these people. I know them well. Both couples love one another very much, and are very devoted to one another. I am presently, and happily celibate as you well know. Respectfully, you don't know what you're talking about.
I don't know why you keep saying stuff like this. I really don't. It's hurtful, and untrue. You know it's hurtful because I have told you, and yet you continue. Why? Why do you refuse to get to know LGBT people? Why cast aspersions on the the character of people yo do not know?
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