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Old 09-18-2019, 03:36 PM
 
Location: NY
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Science tells us some are born with a tendency toward alcoholism.
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I don't know of any Christian on this forum that has stated we should discriminate against gay people. I certainly haven't. For ANY reason.


Into 1 what? I don't understand the question.
It's discrimination to tell an LGBT person they can't serve at church, be a leader, be a member, play the organ, whatever. It's discrimination to say "we won't affirm your relationship" when all the couples get together at the church picnic and the gay couple gets the weird looks. That's classic discrimination.

Gay couples won't feel welcome, even if a church says they are welcome. Imagine: if a church full of celibates who thought any kind of sex was evil said that you and your wife are "welcome" but you couldn't serve, couldn't be a member, etc. and they were not going to condone your "sinful" behavior, you would probably not want to go there and would feel discriminated against for simply being who you are naturally.

 
Old 09-18-2019, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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That's not what the gay agenda groups want. All the evidence points to them desiring to destroy Christianity and force us to worship their lifestyle, even praise it over heterosexuality. There is already a law being pushed through in CA to force pastors to accept homosexuality or be punished. The singling out of Christian business owners who based on their religious beliefs did not want to get with an immoral ceremony and punishing them severely. A 100K fine and destroying their business for good because of a very minor instance where they refused to serve a gay wedding? Anyone who wasn't so personally tied to this issue would admit that this penalty was way overblown.

So what happened to separation of church and state, huh? Seems like gays want the state to get heavily involved in dictating how we believe. This is America and freedom of religion is #1 in the law.

Oh wow.. Why would LGBT Christians (who this thread relates to) want to destroy Christianity? Can you at least try to make sense?
 
Old 09-18-2019, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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So the Christian business owners who received death threats to anally rape their young son, that was no harm, right? All because they didn't want to get involved in a ceremony with such relationships. There is definitely harm, plus the facts still show that homosexuals are still overwhelmingly promiscuous even years after their relationship were legitimized and accepted.

Except for the fact that I'm celibate. And I am far from the only one.
 
Old 09-18-2019, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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That post of mine you quoted was to someone else, not you.

Geekigurl is an LGBT person who is a Christian and she fights from her position of love.

Hopefully the day will come when everybody can put down their weapons.

Indeed.
 
Old 09-18-2019, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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That's not how generalization works. I am generally speaking. It would be ridiculous for me to reject any data unless I could prove every single member of that demographic was the same. Of course, there are going to be differences because we are all individuals. That's great that you are celibate, but the facts show that the overwhelming majority is not. Why is it ok for your side to make gross generalizations about fundies? I don't take personal offense to that. I just know it's ignorance on their part. If I am truly on the wrong side of truth here (and thousands of posts have failed completely to sway me) then I am only guilty of ignorance.



The hypocrisy is overwhelming.I have never said anything to directly and personally slander you.

For the 10googol=10th time , I'm not on any side. And I'm not the one making gross generalizations, and I don't use the term fundie. If you want to know why others do it, ask them, not me. Because how would I know?


If I have in the past used the term fundie, I apologize. Do you apologize for your gross generalizations?Do you realize that whether true or not, talking about other people's sex lives without consent is gossip?


By labeling the entire LGBT community as promiscuous, yes, you are including me, because I am part of that group. And yes, that is slander because I am not promiscuous.
 
Old 09-18-2019, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Right. I bet they have absolutely no problem with the gay coffee shop owner who kicked out Christians because he didn't like their beliefs. He almost told them to make sure and tell all their friends to never come to his business. Double standard hypocrisy at its finest.



Didn't Christians go into that coffee shop to try and pass out anti-abortion literature? And didn't you concede that what they did was wrong, and that the coffee shop owner was right to ask them to leave for harassing customers? I remember that thread too.


From that very thread.


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I'm going to take a surprising turn here and I admit that I may have been wrong in my OP. The only thing that hinges for me is if the Christians purposely went into his shop and left the material. That completely changes the picture for me. If that's the case then I find myself actually supporting the business owner. No business should have to put up with offensive material being solicited in their establishment. I'm sure customers would end up complaining to the business owner if they found these pamphlets with gruesome images in his shop. He is completely innocent in that regard.

Now he still said things he shouldn't have, but the material obviously struck a nerve and everyone has said stupid things in the heat of the moment. I don't agree with this type of evangelizing either, specifically distributing pamphlets that are designed to cause upset or cause a strong reaction. It only pushes people away from Christ.
 
Old 09-18-2019, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Anderson, IN
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Why do you make this crap up jeffbase

Especially when lies are so easy to expose.
 
Old 09-18-2019, 05:56 PM
 
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Really jeffbase?

You are a true sinner. Jesus will be proud of you
 
Old 09-18-2019, 05:57 PM
 
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Wow, yet another example of discrimination against Christians for simply wanting to hold to their morals and beliefs that homosexuality is sin. I have no doubt that those who blasted the Christian business owners who NICELY and POLITELY refused to service gay weddings have absolutely no problem with this gay business owner's actions here:

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A Lincoln, Neb., coffee shop employee berated and asked a customer to leave due to her biblical beliefs about homosexuality last week, labeling her “bigoted trash” as other customers watched.

Marilyn Synek, communications specialist at the Nebraska Family Alliance – a Christian and socially conservative organization – wrote in a Facebook post that she is a regular customer at Cultiva Coffee, often starting her day there at 7 a.m. for breakfast.

But last Wednesday (Sept. 11), an employee approached her and told her to leave.

“Marilyn Synek! I didn’t recognize you until now, but I just realized who you are, what you stand for, and the work you do,” the employee said, according to Synek’s Facebook post. “You are f****** bigoted trash, and we do not want you in our restaurant. Over 80% of the people who work here are *****. You are not f****** wanted in our restaurant, so get out and don’t come back! If you do try to come back, we will all refuse any service to you.”

https://www.christianheadlines.com/c...sexuality.html

It only reinforces what I've been saying. The pendulum is swinging more and more to a society where if a Christian does not support homosexuality, they will be punished.

I think anyone who was not personally biased on this issue can get a clear picture of where the true anger and hatred exists.
 
Old 09-18-2019, 06:02 PM
 
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Didn't Christians go into that coffee shop to try and pass out anti-abortion literature? And didn't you concede that what they did was wrong, and that the coffee shop owner was right to ask them to leave for harassing customers? I remember that thread too.


From that very thread.
I'm only playing devil's advocate here showing the hypocrisy and double standard. I actually still support the gay business owner (although the vulgarity is appalling and sadly pretty typical) It's his business and he should have a right to deny service when it involves a moral conflict. Just like Christian business owners should have the right to do the exact same thing.
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