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And from the evangelical point of view, one must do the following to deserve to go to Heaven:
But in answer to your question...why do you think Jesus said it would be better to tie a millstone around the neck and toss some into the sea? It's obvious that SOME sins are seen as worse than others. Some also have more earthly consequences. Most here would agree, and they tell us that homosexuality is "victimless", or that it "hurts no one", so it must be ok. You don't believe that?
Yes, some sins have far greater temporal consequences. But I'm asking you if there is any difference in spiritual consequences. Never have I seen a fundamentalist claiming "purgatory" if the sins aren't "too big." Do you think so?
I would agree that promiscuity hurts the individuals involved. Adultery hurts the individuals involved.
But homosexuality practiced within a marriage that you have tried to DENY them? Plain b.s. They are no more sinning than you (or maybe less if you have divorced and remarried).
He wouldn't have asked the question if he didn't believe that some sins are more damaging than others.
jeff it is your MO to think some are more damaging than others. It's kind of like when I asked you what "services" you would deny homosexuals.
Your reply, which has emblazoned itself in my mind, is that you don't want to deny them "necessary" services, just "non-essential" services if such challenge a "bible-believer's" faith.
You are the second most hypocritical person on this thread (finnie has you beat by a mile), and the only thing I give you is that you aren't ever as sly as number one with your idiotic posts such as the one I mentioned.
I asked you to list services that were "essential" for homosexuals. I asked who would make the list of services and products that could be considered off limits to homosexuals based on the christian views of WHICH christians.
You avoided answering because there isn't any satisfactory answer even in your own twisted religion.
Most fundamentalists point their finger at others, so I am wondering - if it could be that you have been given over to the passions of your own heart? For the Scriptures speak a great deal on the practice of males who kept boys as sex slaves (child abuse), but has virtually nothing to say about those in a committed adult relationship, other than the practice of idolatry or adultery? As a matter of fact, it addresses the marriage relationship for the most part and those who are unfaithful to their spouse or perverted in their thinking (i.e., prostitution, rape, child-abuse and/or watching porn). So, could it be that fundamentalists (or people in general ) are suppressing the truth - while hiding behind their own thoughts, deeds and actions - and the Bible?
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I have no idea what you are talking about, which is OK with me.
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It was the (pagan) temple sex rituals among "heterosexuals" and idolatry that was the focus. So, while same-sex behavior existed (i.e., prostitution or pederasty - the relationship between an adult male and a younger male, usually under aged) it had nothing to do with gay people or what is viewed as modern day homosexuality or sexual orientation. You really need to understand the mindset and culture of that day - before making any assumptions. Otherwise, you come across as prejudice and obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion or faction which is intolerant of others, not like you. Or, if you prefer - a bigot.
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Are you serious? LOL...
Same sex behavior existed and God led Paul to write about it, but it doesn't apply to the same sex behavior today. That's what you are trying to get people to believe? ...yeah, right...
An ignorant response, please try to comprehend that while same-sex behavior existed it had nothing to do with our understanding today. Paul was talking about those who prostituted themselves, those who were in a relationship of pederasty - between adult males and under aged (male) children. In other words, those with a perverted mindset. Apparently, you are lacking in knowledge or awareness in general, when it comes to the culture which existed in that day - inclusive of idolatry and adultery. Please, try to get an education, so you will better understand the difference between, then and now.
Yes, some sins have far greater temporal consequences. But I'm asking you if there is any difference in spiritual consequences. Never have I seen a fundamentalist claiming "purgatory" if the sins aren't "too big." Do you think so?
I would agree that promiscuity hurts the individuals involved. Adultery hurts the individuals involved.
But homosexuality practiced within a marriage that you have tried to DENY them? Plain b.s. They are no more sinning than you (or maybe less if you have divorced and remarried).
Do you realize that in God's eyes, even a "marriage" between 2 men or 2 women, it's the same as promiscuity or adultery? That's what God said, and Jesus affirmed.
And yes -- it is damaging in so many ways. One way is that God's relationship to the church is likened to marriage. The church is said to be his Bride. It does have relevance. If one's view of marriage is low, then their view of the church is also very likely low.
But do some cause us to deserve hell more than others? No.
That two guys get together and do whatever two guys do to find sexual enjoyment is not near as bad as a church that keeps these men from the love of Jesus by their rejection of them. That is a much more damaging sin to many, many more people.
I guess you must ignore verses like this:
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But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
1 Corinthians 5:11
There has to be a line drawn especially if a person makes it clear that they have no intention of turning from their sin.
Do you realize that in God's eyes, even a "marriage" between 2 men or 2 women, it's the same as promiscuity or adultery? That's what God said, and Jesus affirmed.
Do you realize that in God's eyes, even a "marriage" between 2 men or 2 women, it's the same as promiscuity or adultery? That's what God said, and Jesus affirmed.
And yes -- it is damaging in so many ways. One way is that God's relationship to the church is likened to marriage. The church is said to be his Bride. It does have relevance. If one's view of marriage is low, then their view of the church is also very likely low.
But do some cause us to deserve hell more than others? No.
I honestly believe that being a bible worshipping christian is what Jesus would be calling out today and rebuking. You have to be in denial not to see that what he was up against in his day, is present and alive and kicking today.
When he said if you are lusting after a woman you have commited adultery with her,he was not trying to be make things difficult for those who desire to follow him, he was playing fundamentalists at their hypocrisy of judging sin or assumed sin.
Do you realize that in God's eyes, even a "marriage" between 2 men or 2 women, it's the same as promiscuity or adultery? That's what God said, and Jesus affirmed.
But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people
1 Corinthians 5:11
There has to be a line drawn especially if a person makes it clear that they have no intention of turning from their sin.
Surely you are not that blind to see that they were exactly the kind of folk Jesus was around all the time, he attracted them to himself.
The likes of Jeffy, Finn, Bapfundy and Drob asked Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
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