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You haven't proven that I lied about anything. Not once. I would never trust anything you post because of your extreme bias. It's almost comical.
Yes, I have. As have others. You have lied about what people post on a daily basis. Just today you have lied about several things you claimed I said, for instance.
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Anything I write, you have to automatically argue against it. Course you'll deny that point too! haha
No, just the stuff that makes no sense, shows bigotry or discrimination, or outright lies/misrepresents what I or someone else posted, which is most of it.
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It's simple. My experiences are with Christians who belong to the largest Christian denominations, denominations that have made their position clear that homosexuality is a sin.
So are mine, Jeffery. So we are at a standstill then. I likely know just as many or more Christians than you do, thanks to where I have lived and worked, so if my experience is irrelevant, so is yours. You don't get to claim that the people YOU know are the standard, while I and others tell you it isn't, and then claim your people represent the vast majority. It's that simple.
You do realize denomination means very little nowadays, right? I know Baptists that think like you, but I know MANY more that don't, for instance.
just because others are going to the wide road..... doesn't make it right... it just makes broken and hurting people the most common condition ..
but some are each others first and only mates( sometimes other than Porn for too many ) and still they will have the best intimacy spiritually and physically when in the Lord , because "a cord of three strands is not easily broken ".
and the others pay for that wide road to destruction.....
they pay with lack of true connection and lack/ or less true intimacy.... and with less "feelings " due to scar tissue ) than what could have been... and why he offers a completely new start at the real point of our salvation.
This might be the most real and loving thing I've read from you.
No. It may be basic doctrine in YOUR particular branch (denomination) of Christianity, but it isn't in all of them.
It's been taught by Christians since the days of Jesus. Not just my denomination or "branch", as you put it, but by pretty much all of Christianity. It's been affirmed numerous times in church councils, and men have died for the idea of an inerrant and perfect Bible.
Yes, there have been those that identify as "Christian" that disagree, but they do not speak for all of Christianity.
It's been taught by Christians since the days of Jesus. Not just my denomination or "branch", as you put it, but by pretty much all of Christianity. It's been affirmed numerous times in church councils, and men have died for the idea of an inerrant and perfect Bible.
Yes, there have been those that identify as "Christian" that disagree, but they do not speak for all of Christianity.
I've never suggested that. I have said to check what anyone is telling you by Scripture. The person that makes a claim contrary to Scripture has historically been considered a heretic by Christianity, going back to the time of the apostles.
I've never suggested that. I have said to check what anyone is telling you by Scripture. The person that makes a claim contrary to Scripture has historically been considered a heretic by Christianity, going back to the time of the apostles.
But you are suggesting that. You are claiming that you are a "real Christian", and other aren't. You are claiming your interpretation is the only correct one. You are saying that others do not speak for Christianity, yet you are making it sound as if you believe you do. Jeff is doing the same, saying only his experiences and people he knows show what Christians believe, and others experiences are irrelevant.
All you are doing in this specific post, is hiding behind your Bible. Again.
It's been taught by Christians since the days of Jesus. Not just my denomination or "branch", as you put it, but by pretty much all of Christianity. It's been affirmed numerous times in church councils, and men have died for the idea of an inerrant and perfect Bible.
Yes, there have been those that identify as "Christian" that disagree, but they do not speak for all of Christianity.
Nor do you, or anybody else. In truth, the idea that the Bible is 100% literally true, inerrant and infallible is a relatively new phenomenon. It's probably not over 200 years old.
“Infallible” is defined differently. The history of the word as it applies to Scripture is as wide as the oceans:
From a right wing conservative Christian webasite:
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While many theological viewpoints would be willing to say the Bible is inspired, one finds little uniformity as to what is meant by inspiration. Some focus it on the writers; others, on the writings; still others, on the readers. Some relate it to the general message of the Bible; others, to the thoughts; still others, to the words. Some include inerrancy; many don’t.
These differences call for precision in stating the biblical doctrine. Formerly all that was necessary to affirm one’s belief in full inspiration was the statement, “I believe in the inspiration of the Bible.” But when some did not extend inspiration to the words of the text it became necessary to say, “I believe in the verbal inspiration of the Bible.” To counter the teaching that not all parts of the Bible were inspired, one had to say, “I believe in the verbal, plenary inspiration of the Bible.” Then because some did not want to ascribe total accuracy to the Bible, it was necessary to say, “I believe in the verbal, plenary, infallible, inerrant inspiration of the Bible.” But then “infallible” and “inerrant” began to be limited to matters of faith only rather than also embracing all that the Bible records (including historical facts, genealogies, accounts of Creation, etc.), so it became necessary to add the concept of “unlimited inerrancy.”
Your belief of inerrancy is subject to MUCH interpretation, and hasn’t been adhered to by all Christians since the beginning of the Christian Era.
Early church fathers saw Genesis as figurative:
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St. Clement of Alexandria and Origen both recall Genesis 2:4: “In the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,” as evidence that the “six days” are to be taken figuratively. In his Miscellanies, St. Clement notes that the creation could not have taken place in time because time itself was created. So, new things could be “generated” over a span of days, but creation itself did not transpire over a period of time but is rather the source of time.
Origen argues similarly that “there was not yet time before the world existed,”. and that the first days cannot be taken literally because you cannot have a day without a sun, a moon, and a sky. So, early in the third century Clement and Origen have already articulated the central difficulties in taking six ordinary days as the literal sense of Genesis 1.
Interpreting “infallibility” is easy only for those unwilling to research it. And “easy” is always the fundamentalist choice for avoiding the hard task of THINKING. Combined with lack of empathy and opposition to kindness it’s how you manage to make poor moral judgments about other people.
Nor do you, or anybody else. In truth, the idea that the Bible is 100% literally true, inerrant and infallible is a relatively new phenomenon. It's probably not over 200 years old.
I'm pretty sure they authors believed what they wrote.
Nor do you, or anybody else. In truth, the idea that the Bible is 100% literally true, inerrant and infallible is a relatively new phenomenon. It's probably not over 200 years old.
I find it interesting that a guy that tells me that I'm not qualified to speak about what other religions believe is telling me what my religion believes. And you are not part of the religion you're talking about.
I've quoted chapter and verse to explain why you are wrong. You are wrong. You have been shown to be wrong. It was believed by the apostles, 2000 years ago. Why do you not simply accept that you've been corrected? To persist in this nonsense is the epitome of arrogance.
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