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Yep. The same thing, to an extent, happens in women's prisons. It can also be a survival mechanism. One does what one must to live another day.
Yes, also in rehabs, according to a friend of mine who spent a lot of time in them. In that case, it's probably a substitution for what they are craving and/or a bonding born of shared suffering.
Yep. The same thing, to an extent, happens in women's prisons. It can also be a survival mechanism. One does what one must to live another day.
Which goes a long way towards telling us how broken our "justice" system is, and why when people compare God's justice to ours, it sets my teeth on edge.
Which goes a long way towards telling us how broken our "justice" system is, and why when people compare God's justice to ours, it sets my teeth on edge.
Well, I think that comparison is normally made in relation to eternal torment. In that regard, we are well ahead of God. Obviously this isn't a view all Christians hold, and only apply to those that do indeed hold that position. The other comparison is normally made in relation to this very topic that we are talking about here on this thread. God condemning gay people to eternal torment for being with someone they love, and not something as heinous as murder as sexual abuse of children or something. Obviously, not all hold this view either, and it only applies to those that do.
Well, I think that comparison is normally made in relation to eternal torment. In that regard, we are well ahead of God. Obviously this isn't a view all Christians hold, and only apply to those that do indeed hold that position. The other comparison is normally made in relation to this very topic that we are talking about here on this thread. God condemning gay people to eternal torment for being with someone they love, and not something as heinous as murder as sexual abuse of children or something. Obviously, not all hold this view either, and it only applies to those that do.
Precisely. It is almost always an eternal torment believer who equates God's justice to our own broken system.
I said how I know, and I gave two real-life examples. I'm telling you what men told me who had been married young and then later came out with being gay. They knew they were gay back when but didn't want to be, so they denied their true nature. that doesn't work, though.
Again, I'd caution you to judge all men based on 2 that you know.
Your experience exactly matches what I know. The guy lived across the street from me for quite a few years. Right after college he married and had a son. Later, his wife realized that she could not make him happy and could not be happy married to him, so she divorced him. Some years later, he met the guy that became his husband. They have been together for ~30 years now. They are fine Christian men, too. They live their live showing it by doing good for people at every opportunity. He said he knew he was gay but tried to suppress it. It didn't work for him any better than it did for the guys you mentioned. (I never have asked him if he watches porn. That would be an extremely tacky thing to do.)
Just curious. Do you feel that he did right by his wife? Wrong?
Just curious. Do you feel that he did right by his wife? Wrong?
I am not mensa, but I would say he did wrong be his wife. But people like you believe this is exactly what he should do, minus the coming out part. You believe that a gay person should either be celibate their entire lives, or live a lie with a person of the opposite sex. If he had never felt the need to pretend in the first place, no one would have been hurt, but because of people like you, this happens more often than it should.
I am not mensa, but I would say he did wrong be his wife. But people like you believe this is exactly what he should do, minus the coming out part. You believe that a gay person should either be celibate their entire lives, or live a lie with a person of the opposite sex. If he had never felt the need to pretend in the first place, no one would have been hurt, but because of people like you, this happens more often than it should.
Which is why fundamentalism must be eradicated.
It hurts people.
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