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Old 02-10-2021, 08:04 PM
 
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Keep in mind though, THREE people in history have entered heaven, in their PHYSICAL body!
Even Jesus did NOT enter heaven in a physical body. God resurrected Jesus back to his pre-human spirit body.
Otherwise, Jesus would Not have needed to use different materialized bodies after his resurrection.
No body went to Heaven before Jesus - John 3:13
Heaven is for spirit bodies.
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Old 02-10-2021, 09:31 PM
 
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Adam is in all men, how can we claim Jesus is the new Adam? Why did we ALL need a new Adam if the first Adam is not a part of us all?



If you need a new Adam, it means the first Adam is a part of what you are, you have the fallen Adam, thus a need for a new Adam.
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Old 02-11-2021, 06:11 AM
 
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Keep in mind though, THREE people in history have entered heaven, in their PHYSICAL body!

Scriptural reference sir?
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Old 02-11-2021, 06:20 AM
 
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First existed is the spiritual world then the physical world.
Sins committed in spiritual world is unforgivable for it is committed by man's soul and requires a redeemer to take it off from man while sins committed in the physical world that is sins committed by the flesh is forgivable.
That is the same happened to the first man Adam.
Adam while in the garden of Eden is in the form of human soul, meaning no flesh, no bone, no skin. He committed immortal sin. It is unforgivable and requires a redeemer.the reason why Christ was send down to earth by God to redeem this particular sin.
There is nothing correct about your post......the natural always comes first in Gods world (Adam) followed by the supernatural (Jesus)......Jesus finished the work with sin at the cross (it is finished) and took them all off the table for mankind. The one remaining hang-up is simply UNBELIEF which is all around us and continues to doom man..........
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Old 02-11-2021, 08:03 AM
 
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There is nothing correct about your post......the natural always comes first in Gods world (Adam) followed by the supernatural (Jesus)......Jesus finished the work with sin at the cross (it is finished) and took them all off the table for mankind. The one remaining hang-up is simply UNBELIEF which is all around us and continues to doom man..........
How do you figure that unbelief dooms mankind?
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Old 02-24-2021, 07:07 PM
 
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How Shall the Sin of the Soul Be Removed
Adam is the first living creature God created. Said to be living because he was given the breath of life. KJV
Gen 2:7 “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
We had been reading the books of the Bible ever since. But ever since the first book of the Bible (the Genesis) we had already made a big mistake in understanding the Word of God. Where was the mistake --we have assumed that Adam in the Garden of Eden is a complete person, having body and soul or spirit, but it is not so. It was only the soul, which cannot be seen, cannot be touched, with no flesh and bone and no skin, no physical image that God created. That is why, when God is about to drive Adan and Eve out of the Garden of Eden for their sin, it is said in
Gen 3:21- “For Adam also and for his wife the Lord God made long coats of skins and clothed them”. Meaning, beforehand they had no skins saying that they were simply souls which is the immaterial part of man.
Another hint, AMPC Gen 2:25
“And the man and his wife were both naked and were not embarrassed or ashamed in each other’s presence.” It is so, because souls have no sex organs, they don’t need it and they don’t have skins . It is the skin that triggers the desire for sex. They don’t have skins so they are not ashamed in each other’s presence. They have no physical image; it is the skins that gives a creature its physical image. Some versions of Gen 3:21 state that God clothed them with animal skins. Well, it is still acceptable for we learned in primary schools that human is the highest form of animal, for man’s body came from animal, and only the soul was created by God. So God our Heavenly Father created the soul first, and the body came later on.

In spite of that, we still have the image and likeness of God. ASV Genesis 1:26
“And God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness”: But just the soul excluding the body.


It was the biggest mistake of man’s understanding the Word of God, the Bible. So what happened, they made trouble also understanding the rest of The Word of God.

At first thing God created only the soul (the body comes next), the man’s soul which is Adam, the first man. Adam is only a symbol and represents the souls of mankind, your soul, his soul, her soul, their soul, our soul.
Adam in the Garden of Eden, as a soul transgressed the first commitment with God as said in Genesis 2:16-17
16 And Jehovah God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die”. Adam disobeyed, so he died.
It was an agreement between a man’s soul and its Creator. The man’s soul is supposed to be divine, sinless for it will act as the guardian angel telling the body not to do bad things but only good things. But then at this instant in the Garden the soul right away transgressed. It is an unforgivable sin, that it deserved to be driven out of the Garden because it resulted to the death of its eternal life which resulted to the loss of its right to stay in the Garden. The other word for the Garden of Eden is the eternal home of our heavenly Father, the Heaven.

Micah 6:7 Amplified Bible Version says:
“Will the Lord be delighted with thousands of rams, Or with ten thousand rivers of oil? Shall I present my firstborn for my acts of rebellion, The fruit of my body for the sin of my soul
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Old 02-24-2021, 07:19 PM
 
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After the soul was driven out of the Garden it came down to earth where it acquires it physical body, but after some period of time, maybe after some billions of years developing from a tiny microscopic living thing into a full grown human being like what we are today, until the coming of Noah, Abraham, Israel, Moses, the Kings, the prophets, etc.etc.until the coming of Jesus.
The Jews being the first to know God our Creator knew that the human souls transgressed and sinned God and they knew that a savior, a messiah is coming to take away that same sin of the world., but when the Messiah who is Christ-Jesus came they did not believed that he was the Savior and the Messiah just because they have watch how he grew up from being a child until he became an adult man and being a son of a carpenter but instead of honoring him and recognizing him as the Savior and Messiah they killed him.
The Sin of My Soul is Redeemed Through the Gospel of Christ
In John 3:16 it says: BRG Bible Version
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”.

But believe to what? To believe that he will take away the sin of the world particularly the sin of the souls as in:

John 1:29 King James 21 Century Version:

“The next day John saw Jesus coming unto him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sin of the world!”

Please note the word “sin” is in singular form because it pertains to that particular sin that the soul Adam committed while staying in the Garden of Eden. World religions did not get the point of John 3:16 and John 1:29. It is a lack of comprehension. (Kulang sa pagkaunawa as said in my language). It is because they have assumed that it pertains to all the sins of the world and not exactly pertaining to the sin that the soul Adam committed in the Garden of Eden.

The Jews understood the transgression better in the Old Testament in
Micah 6:7 Amplified Bible Version says:
“Will the Lord be delighted with thousands of rams, Or with ten thousand rivers of oil? Shall I present my firstborn for my acts of rebellion, The fruit of my body for the sin of my soul

No material payment is acceptable to remove the sin of the soul. The only remedy is the atonement to be done by a redeemer who is the Christ-Jesus. The Christ was sent to us by the Father to redeem the sin of the soul by his blood in order that the eternal life will be restored back to his people. The eternal life was taken back by the Father when the soul Adam sinned in the Garden, as in Gen 2:16- the moment you eat of it you shall surely die.

For better understanding, the soul Adam is different from the person Adam who is the father of Cain and Abel. The soul Adam existed first, maybe some billions of years before the person Adam came into being.

It is a matter of life and death and a matter of heaven and hell to understand that the sin of the soul which resides in our body and / or soul should be removed otherwise if not, our name will not be found in the Book of Life. If our name is not found in the Book of Life, we will perish in hell on the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The requirements in order that our name will be found in the Book of Life is for us to have the Eternal Life before the return of Christ-Jesus so we must be prepared all the time don’t sleep and make sure that your lamp is filled with oil. We would not have the Eternal Life if the sin of our soul still reside in us. To remove the sin of the soul is to believe in John 3:16:

John 3:16 For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.


We should believe that Christ-Jesus already took away the sin of the world, the sin of our soul and that our Heavenly Father has already given us the free gift which is the Eternal Life.

God is warning us that we should be ready anytime for the coming of the Lord making sure that Eternal Life has been restored back to us.
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Old 02-24-2021, 07:23 PM
 
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·Matthew 25:3
For when the foolish took their lamps, they did not take any [extra] oil with them,

·Matthew 25:4
but the wise took flasks of oil along with their lamps.
5 Now while the bridegroom was delayed, they all began to nod off, and they asleep. Fell
6 But at midnight there was a shout, ‘Look! The bridegroom [is coming]! Go out to meet him.’
·Matthew 25:7
Then all those virgins got up and put their own lamps in order [trimmed the wicks and added oil and lit them].

·Matthew 25:8
But the foolish virgins said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’


Revelation 16:15 21st Century King James Version
15 “Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.”


Romans 5:12 American Standard Version
12 Therefore, as through one-man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all sinned: —
Romans 6:23 21st Century King James Version
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 5:21 21st Century King James Version
21 that, as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Mikas 6:7 Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
7 Kalulugdan baga ng Panginoon ang mga libolibong tupa, o ang mga sangpu-sangpung libong ilog na langis? ibibigay ko baga ang aking panganay dahil sa aking pagsalangsang, ang bunga ng aking katawan dahil sa kasalanan ng aking kaluluwa?
Micah 6:7 Amplified Bible
7
Will the Lord be delighted with thousands of rams,
Or with ten thousand rivers of oil?
Shall I present my firstborn for my acts of rebellion,
The fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?

Note: the sin of our soul is unforgivable, the only one that can take it away is our Lord.
2 Thessalonians 1:8 American Standard Version
“8 rendering vengeance to them that know not God, and to them that obey not the [a]gospel of our Lord Jesus:”
2 Tesalonica 1:8 Ang Salita ng Dios (Tagalog Contemporary Bible)
“8 Darating siyang napapalibutan ng nagliliyab na apoy, at parurusahan niya ang mga hindi kumikilala sa Dios at hindi sumusunod sa Magandang Balita tungkol sa ating Panginoong Jesucristo”.
John 3:16 American Standard Version
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life
Juan 3:16 Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
16 Sapagka't gayon na lamang ang pagsinta ng Dios sa sanglibutan, na ibinigay niya ang kaniyang bugtong na Anak, upang ang sinomang sa kaniya'y sumampalataya ay huwag mapahamak, kundi magkaroon ng buhay na walang hanggan
John 1:29 American Standard Version
29 On the morrow John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold, the Lamb of God, that [a]taketh away the sin of the world!
Juan 1:29 Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
29 Nang kinabukasan ay nakita ni Juan si Jesus na lumalapit sa kaniya, at sinabi, Narito, ang Cordero ng Dios, na nagaalis ng kasalanan ng sanglibututan.
John 14:6 American Standard Version
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life: no one cometh unto the Father, but [a]by me.
Juan 14:6 Ang Dating Biblia (1905)
6 Sinabi sa kaniya ni Jesus, Ako ang daan, at ang katotohanan, at ang buhay: sinoman ay di makaparoroon sa Ama, kundi sa pamamagitan ko.
1 Corinthians 15:21 American Standard Version
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead
1 Corinthians 15:21 Contemporary English Version
21 Just as we will die because of Adam, we will be raised to life because of Christ.
1 Corinthians 15:45 Amplified Bible
45 So it is written [in Scripture], “The first man, Adam, became a living soul ;” the last Adam (Christ) became a life-giving spirit [restoring the dead to life].
Note: before the knowledge of salvation came to man all are considered dead through sin but after the knowledge came it resulted to restoring the dead to life
1 Corinto 15:45 Ang Salita ng Dios (Tagalog Contemporary Bible)
45 Sinasabi sa Kasulatan, “Ang unang tao na si Adan ay binigyan ng buhay.” Ngunit ang huling Adan na si Cristo ay espiritung nagbibigay-buhay.


Hebrews 4:12 BRG Bible
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart
Hebreo 4:12 Ang Salita ng Dios (Tagalog Contemporary Bible)
12 Sapagkat buhay at mabisa ang salita ng Dios, at higit na matalas kaysa sa alinmang espadang magkabila ang talim. Tumatagos ito hanggang kaluluwaʼt espiritu, at hanggang sa kasu-kasuan at kaloob-looban ng buto. Nalalaman nito ang pinakamalalim na iniisip at hinahangad ng tao
Romans 5:15 BRG Bible
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
Roma 5:15 Ang Salita ng Dios (Tagalog Contemporary Bible)
15 Pero magkaiba ang dalawang ito, dahil ang kaloob ng Dios ay hindi katulad sa kasalanan ni Adan. Totoo ngang nagdala ng kamatayan sa maraming tao ang kasalanan ni Adan, pero mas nakakahigit ang biyaya at kaloob ng Dios na dumating sa maraming tao sa pamamagitan ng isang tao na walang iba kundi si Jesu-Cristo.
Revelation 2:11 BRG Bible
11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Pahayag 2:11 Ang Salita ng Dios (Tagalog Contemporary Bible)
“Ang magtatagumpay ay hindi makakaranas ng ikalawang kamatayan.”
Note : the first death is the result of the sin of the soul Adam, the second death is after the coming of the Lord.
The only salvation is through Christ-Jesus, knowing his salvation of our soul, taking out the sin that our soul committed during its stay in the Garden of Eden. We cannot recall what we did during our past life, during our stay in heaven with God because we were reborn on earth, The soul never dies, it lives forever.
When somebody asked “Is there life after death”. This is a very dull question. Life continuous to live while the body goes back to where it came from. Please give our soul a break. Give importance and attention to it for it is our life.
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Old 02-24-2021, 07:34 PM
 
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If you got the message of the gospel of Christ you will come to the point that you would not need the priest, the pope, the pastors, the ministers, you would not need the Manalos, Eli Soriano and all of this religious men, for they are just telling lies, extracting your money. Religions are good only for socialization and not for the salvation of our soul.
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Old 02-24-2021, 07:49 PM
 
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First existed is the spiritual world then the physical world.
Sins committed in spiritual world is unforgivable for it is committed by man's soul and requires a redeemer to take it off from man while sins committed in the physical world that is sins committed by the flesh is forgivable.
That is the same happened to the first man Adam.
Adam while in the garden of Eden is in the form of human soul, meaning no flesh, no bone, no skin. He committed immortal sin. It is unforgivable and requires a redeemer.the reason why Christ was send down to earth by God to redeem this particular sin.
Yes, redeem adamic sin from fallen father Adam for without Christ there could be No resurrection from death from adamic sin.
Yes, the spirit world (invisible angels) existed first before the material / physical realm or world.
Satan's sin committed in the spirit world is unforgivable - Matthew 12:32 - so was mortal Adam's sin.
Because of Jesus' ransom sacrifice for humanity sins can be forgiven.
When mortal Adam died Adam returned to the dust of the ground - Genesis 3:19
ALL of Adam included his flesh, one and skin because Adam was a living soul - Genesis 2:7
At death Adam become a dead soul, a life-less soul or person.
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