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Lots of conjecture. But no one knows with certainty.
I second this ^
There are things we don't know and likely never will know (the origins of the universe, etc.) Perhaps the intent is to focus instead on what we can know, including daily living and making the most of it for the benefit of family and community, just like Jesus did. Think of all his personal time with others, reassuring words, encouraging, etc. He did miracles of course, but we too can do helpful things to benefit others and make life more enjoyable, healthy, special, and meaningful.
There's a perversity to many (and the church) to spin wheels asking questions and pondering until we're doing nothing, when we should instead be rolling up our sleeves and accomplishing things. Time is short, and there's plenty of work to do.
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After our death? Lots of conjecture. But no one knows with certainty.
I find in the Bible that Jesus knows with certainty.
Jesus likened death to sleep according to John 11:11-14.
Jesus was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures which also teach ' sleep in death '.
( Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5 )
So, ' after our death ' the hope is: waking up on Resurrection Day.
Resurrection Day meaning Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth for a thousand years - Acts 24:15
Since we can't resurrect oneself or another we need someone who can resurrects us from death's deep sleep.
According to the Bible Jesus can and will resurrect the dead - Revelation 1:18.
There are things we don't know and likely never will know (the origins of the universe, etc.) .................................
There's a perversity to many (and the church) to spin wheels asking questions and pondering until we're doing nothing, when we should instead be rolling up our sleeves and accomplishing things. Time is short, and there's plenty of work to do.
Interesting ^ above ^ because Jesus also believed there's plenty of work to do.- Luke 4:43
Declare the good news about God's kingdom (Daniel 2:44) on a vast international scale -> Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8.
This is why Jesus instructed at Matthew 9:36-38 to take the good news (gospel) to spiritually injured people.
Injured by false clergy who do Not teach Bible truth / religious truth as Jesus believed Scripture to be - John 17:17.
That is why Jesus pronounced many ' woes ' in chapter 23 of Matthew against those false religious leaders.
The harvest is great and the workers are few.
This topic has probably been talked about but I want to bring it back up.
There are people who died were several minutes and then were revised and talk about their souls going to hell and seeing crowds of people screaming.
Then there are stories of people who say they have visions of their loved ones or mediums who have contact with "energies" of other people's loved ones who seem to be doing ok in the afterlife.
I wonder....when you die, do you go into another realm and look after your loved ones on earth? Or do you really go to heaven or hell? There are nuns and priests in the Catholic church who tell stories of having visions of specific angels from heaven who say pray to God or else hell awaits those who insult God.
Makes me wonder.....there's so much confusion that goes on when it comes to what will happen to us after we die....does God (or whatever you want to call it) give us a chance to see the truth before we die? Religious people would say God already gives us a chance by providing us with the bible. All we have to do is read it. Problem is.....even the bible is hard to read and interpret. You don't know if you are reading and interpreting it the right way.
As it is written;
“The Lord God does nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants the prophets.â€
As it is written;
“The Lord God does nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants the prophets.â€
Good point ^ above ^ because since the Bible is based on its corresponding cross-reference verses and passages is how God reveals His secrets.
Jesus by often referring back to the old Hebrew Scriptures on which to base his teachings when he often prefaced his statements with the words, "it is written....." shows us that Jesus then explains or expounds Scripture for us.
There are things we don't know and likely never will know (the origins of the universe, etc.) Perhaps the intent is to focus instead on what we can know, including daily living and making the most of it for the benefit of family and community, just like Jesus did. Think of all his personal time with others, reassuring words, encouraging, etc. He did miracles of course, but we too can do helpful things to benefit others and make life more enjoyable, healthy, special, and meaningful.
There's a perversity to many (and the church) to spin wheels asking questions and pondering until we're doing nothing, when we should instead be rolling up our sleeves and accomplishing things. Time is short, and there's plenty of work to do.
That is the way I see it as well. I have no idea what's going to happen and I've made plenty of mistakes in my past. Today I gave $20 to a guy who had a sign asking for money. Trying to atone.
Lots of conjecture. But no one knows with certainty.
Yes, that's true, no one can be absolutely certain, but some conjectures are more reason-based than others.
Your perspective is an interesting one, in that you've had a near death experience which has left you with certainty that there is more to life and death than we are able to parse via our five recognized senses.
You went further, though, and expressed your own conjecture that people will judge themselves at life's end.
Do you think this because you personally experienced this self-judgement during your own NDE, and what is your reasoning to believe that everyone will have the same experience that you had?
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Originally Posted by TroutDude
You will judge yourself at life's end. You will face your life review and it won't be fun. You will experience shame and sorrow at your misdeeds. If you racked up a lot of them, that shame and sorrow may last a very long time.
I suspect that for some, the pain they experience may seem eternal.
Conversely, if you've been a good little Trout, you'll get off with a wee scolding for the naughty stuff before getting a pat on the back and moving on to the next adventure.
Btw, I didn't read this in an old book. I learned it by near-drowning as a child.
Yes, that's true, no one can be absolutely certain, but some conjectures are more reason-based than others.
Your perspective is an interesting one, in that you've had a near death experience which has left you with certainty that there is more to life and death than we are able to parse via our five recognized senses.
You went further, though, and expressed your own conjecture that people will judge themselves at life's end.
Do you think this because you personally experienced this self-judgment during your own NDE, and what is your reasoning to believe that everyone will have the same experience that you had?
Trout is spot on about self-judgment and that will be far worse than any so-called judgment of God. I am convinced we will reap EXACTLY what we have sowed though I am uncertain how that will occur. I am convinced it will be equal - no more and no less.
Yes, that's true, no one can be absolutely certain, but some conjectures are more reason-based than others.
Your perspective is an interesting one, in that you've had a near death experience which has left you with certainty that there is more to life and death than we are able to parse via our five recognized senses..................
In Scripture I find Jesus absolutely certainly claimed the dead sleep.
Someone with a ' near death experience ' is Not a 4-day dead person.
Jesus resurrected or restored back to life a 4-day dead person - John 11:11-14
That demonstrates that there is more to life and death that we are able to parse.....
More to death because of the Resurrection Hope that 'there is going to be' a resurrection.... Acts 24:15
In Scripture I find Jesus absolutely certainly claimed the dead sleep.
Someone with a ' near death experience ' is Not a 4-day dead person.
Jesus resurrected or restored back to life a 4-day dead person - John 11:11-14
That demonstrates that there is more to life and death that we are able to parse.....
More to death because of the Resurrection Hope that 'there is going to be' a resurrection.... Acts 24:15
There are various understandings, based on scripture. What about the thief on the cross and what Jesus told him?
Here's a good summary of Christian beliefs about the topic... What happens after death?
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