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Probably not one like Mystic who goes against the grain and believes there is no hell.
All the UR folks I've dealt with in the past believe in hell as a type of purification.
Mystic's case is rare and very dangerous, no need for faith as there is no punishment.
I've dealt with him on many occasions. As I said, I've been on the forum a long time. Longer than he has as a matter of fact. Look at the join dates at the top right corner of the posts.
Our salvation is ALL Jesus. We have no role in it and can take no credit for it for ANY reason. We CAN just have faith that it is true and act accordingly.
there is another event from John 9:
2"And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
I think this as well as in mark speaks about Karmic events.
Faith is very clearly stated as a condition for salvation. John 3:16, John 6:40, Acts 16:31 being some examples.
Explain to me why anyone should listen to you instead of to the New Testament writers. Explain to me why you think that you are more of an authority than those New Testament writers.
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Originally Posted by Charlie24
You're dealing with the UR, Mike. Everyone one will be saved, no need for faith.
The commandments and requirements of the scripture mean nothing to them.
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I know what I'm dealing with. I've been on the forum far longer than you have and have had my dealings with these people.
You can’t just tar everyone with the same brush Charlie, or put everyone in the same box
Mike knows what he wants to stand for and against, and what he wants to address
(And UR has its own thread and is not to be dragged out into all threads for a reason)
No hell, no punishment, right Mystic! Why should we have faith in Christ?
How will we reap what we sow if reject Christ? What is the punishment you claim doesn't exist?
There are CONSEQUENCES for our failures to properly develop our Spirit, Charlie. You know, like everything else in life. There are consequences for failures and they can be quite negative without there being any punishment. In fact, you even claim that we are responsible for the consequences of our choices. I agree. That doesn't make them punishments.
Labels are handy for identifying things, types, etc but can be overused or misused
Thank you for that info, Meer!
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