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Jesus forgave sins and healed a paralytic, and Mark 2:5 states that Jesus remarked about “their faith”—the faith of the paralytic and his friends. It wasn’t just the faith of the paralytic.
Was the paralytic saved due to the faith of his friends? Can you be forgiven due to other people’s faith?
Jesus forgave sins and healed a paralytic, and Mark 2:5 states that Jesus remarked about “their faith”—the faith of the paralytic and his friends. It wasn’t just the faith of the paralytic.
Was the paralytic saved due to the faith of his friends? Can you be forgiven due to other people’s faith?
I think that the paralytic personally had faith as well as his friends. I do not believe that someone can be eternally saved apart from personal faith in Jesus.
I think that the paralytic personally had faith as well as his friends. I do not believe that someone can be eternally saved apart from personal faith in Jesus.
Our salvation is ALL Jesus. We have no role in it and can take no credit for it for ANY reason. We CAN just have faith that it is true and act accordingly.
Our salvation is ALL Jesus. We have no role in it and can take no credit for it for ANY reason. We CAN just have faith that it is true and act accordingly.
Of course our salvation is all Jesus. That's what it means to have faith in Jesus. In order to obtain eternal life one must personally recognize that Jesus died for our sins with the result that you place your trust in him. To have faith in Christ is to recognize that you can do nothing for your salvation. To have faith in Jesus is not a meritorious act.
Without that recognition a person is not saved and remains under condemnation. No one is saved apart from personally trusting in Jesus for that salvation.
Of course our salvation is all Jesus. That's what it means to have faith in Jesus. In order to obtain eternal life one must personally recognize that Jesus died for our sins with the result that you place your trust in him. To have faith in Christ is to recognize that you can do nothing for your salvation. To have faith in Jesus is not a meritorious act.
Without that recognition a person is not saved and remains under condemnation. No one is saved apart from personally trusting in Jesus for that salvation.
Not true. Faith is not a CONDITION of salvation, it is a RESULT of the FACT that Jesus actually accomplished our salvation, so, of course, we can have faith He saved us. You want to make it a condition of salvation pretending that we can undo the salvation Jesus accomplished which is preposterous.
Not true. Faith is not a CONDITION of salvation, it is a RESULT of the FACT that Jesus actually accomplished our salvation, so, of course, we can have faith He saved us. You want to make it a condition of salvation pretending that we can undo the salvation Jesus accomplished which is preposterous.
Faith is very clearly stated as a condition for salvation. John 3:16, John 6:40, Acts 16:31 being some examples.
Explain to me why anyone should listen to you instead of to the New Testament writers. Explain to me why you think that you are more of an authority than those New Testament writers.
Faith is very clearly stated as a condition for salvation. John 3:16, John 6:40, Acts 16:31 being some examples.
Explain to me why anyone should listen to you instead of to the New Testament writers. Explain to me why you think that you are more of an authority than those New Testament writers.
You're dealing with the UR, Mike. Everyone one will be saved, no need for faith.
The commandments and requirements of the scripture mean nothing to them.
Faith is very clearly stated as a condition for salvation. John 3:16, John 6:40, Acts 16:31 being some examples.
Explain to me why anyone should listen to you instead of to the New Testament writers. Explain to me why you think that you are more of an authority than those New Testament writers.
I just know that what Jesus revealed and demonstrated about the Holy Spirit of God is true because I encountered it. That Holy Spirit would never make a "Godfather offer," especially not one backed by an eternal Hell and damnation!!!
I have no idea who the actual New Testament writers actually were and neither do you, Michael, and I am certainly not privy to their qualifications or their motivations. I do know they were recruiting members to a new faith and needed to connect that new faith with strong reasons for joining. Perhaps that is it.
I just know that what Jesus revealed and demonstrated about the Holy Spirit of God is true because I encountered it. That Holy Spirit would never make a "Godfather offer," especially not one backed by an eternal Hell and damnation!!!
I have no idea who the actual New Testament writers actually were and neither do you, Michael, and I am certainly not privy to their qualifications or their motivations. I do know they were recruiting members to a new faith and needed to connect that new faith with strong reasons for joining. Perhaps that is it.
I have no reason to doubt the unanimous agreement among the early church fathers that the four Gospels were written by the men whose names were attached to the manuscripts.
And you don't know God as well as you think you do.
Now, this universalism crap is supposed to be confined to the designated thread for it. And the OP didn't ask about Universalism. So stop taking this thread off topic.
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