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1Co 12:27**Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
1Co 12:28**And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
1Co 12:29**Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
1Co 12:30**Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
I get that we are all to be a part of "the body of Christ" but I don't believe that means we will be made to sacrifice our own individuality in order to make that happen. I see the one (i.e. "the body of Christ") as referring to our love for one another and our unity. I see the other (i.e. the resurrected physical body of each and every human) as being something different entirely.
I get that we are all to be a part of "the body of Christ" but I don't believe that means we will be made to sacrifice our own individuality in order to make that happen. I see the one (i.e. "the body of Christ") as referring to our love for one another and our unity. I see the other (i.e. the resurrected physical body of each and every human) as being something different entirely.
And I’m not saying we need to or should sacrifice our individuality, just be aware of the difference between the individual and the corporate
The higher spheres, principalities, rulers have their own life and responsibilities that they are accountable for and we individually do not “pay” for others sins/transgression/error even though their errors/transgressions have certainly impacted on what we are born into, and how we think, and what we believe- we are ultimately responsible for our own thoughts, actions that are however naturally “limited”
I like the way that Michael Heiser answers that question in the 5 minute video below. I personally think of heaven as being interdimensional rather than spacially distant from our physical realm. That is, heaven could be occupying the same space as we are but on a different plane of existence. If God were to raise the curtain so to speak we could see that spiritual realm.
Where do we go when we die? The Afterlife by Dr Michael Heiser
I only read and listened to this link. I have to disagree on his description of the New heaven and earth in the bible. In Revelation, it is not speaking about creation but the "heaven and earth" for the Hebrews in Deuteronomy. Berean Study Bible◄ Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore choose life, so that you and your descendants may live,
When we die, I believe our spirit is raptured to God.
2Cor.5: says what really happens: The Temporal and Eternal1For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven, 3inasmuch as we, having put it on, will not be found naked. 4For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life. 5Now He who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave to us the Spirit as a pledge. 6Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord— 7for we walk by faith, not by sight— 8we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord. 9Therefore we also have as our ambition, whether at home or absent, to be pleasing to Him. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
Note the clothed and unclothed. We are clothed (our spirit as a guarantee) after we die with a heavenly body made for heaven.
After that- I can only imagine. Heaven is without gravity so there's no doubt I think that it's up there.
I only read and listened to this link. I have to disagree on his description of the New heaven and earth in the bible. In Revelation, it is not speaking about creation but the "heaven and earth" for the Hebrews in Deuteronomy. Berean Study Bible◄ Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore choose life, so that you and your descendants may live,
When we die, I believe our spirit is raptured to God.
2Cor.5: says what really happens: The Temporal and Eternal1For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven, 3inasmuch as we, having put it on, will not be found naked. 4For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life. 5Now He who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave to us the Spirit as a pledge. 6Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord— 7for we walk by faith, not by sight— 8we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord. 9Therefore we also have as our ambition, whether at home or absent, to be pleasing to Him. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
Note the clothed and unclothed. We are clothed (our spirit as a guarantee) after we die with a heavenly body made for heaven.
After that- I can only imagine. Heaven is without gravity so there's no doubt I think that it's up there.
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Originally Posted by Katzpur
I'm not saying you're wrong about this, but how in the world would you presume to know such a thing?
As there is no gravity, there would also be no time or space either (as we know it)
I'm not saying you're wrong about this, but how in the world would you presume to know such a thing?
The short answer is that a few times in the Bible, believers were raised UP when they died. Christ rose to the right hand of the Father. Think about it, Elijah rose to some heaven. They rose. Ok?
The short answer is that a few times in the Bible, believers were raised UP when they died. Christ rose to the right hand of the Father. Think about it, Elijah rose to some heaven. They rose. Ok?
I don’t think that refers to a physical “up” but a dimensional one
In literal space there is no north/south/east/west that is only applicable to a sphere where you have directional points and gravity giving us down on terrestrial earth and up in the air
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