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I am starting to believe those who hold to the lie of eternal torment have no common sense or logic.
So God predestined those who would be saved and sends the rest into the eternal fires of hell and you say that view of God is Just
fwiw, I disagree with the Calvinistic viewpoint that says that God arbitrarily chose out some for heaven and some for hell.
He did choose us; but He chooses us on the basis of the choice that we will make in our lives either to receive or reject Christ; because from the beginning of time He foreknew what choice each of us would make.
I believe that predestination is according to foreknowledge according to Romans 8:29-30 and 1 Peter 1:2.
fwiw, I disagree with the Calvinistic viewpoint that says that God arbitrarily chose out some for heaven and some for hell.
He did choose us; but He chooses us on the basis of the choice that we will make in our lives either to receive or reject Christ; because from the beginning of time He foreknew what choice each of us would make.
I believe that predestination is according to foreknowledge according to Romans 8:29-30 and 1 Peter 1:2.
That kind of god is entirely dependent on his creation.
I am starting to believe those who hold to the lie of eternal torment have no common sense or logic.
So God predestined those who would be saved and sends the rest into the eternal fires of hell and you say that view of God is Just
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Originally Posted by BaptistFundie
Yes. Considering that we all deserve eternal hell, he's good.
It also testifies to his holiness and sovereignty. You don't like it? ok. Fine. You're not God. He is. You don't have to like it for him to be God.
God made us the way we are, so how could we possibly deserve eternal Hell, Bapfun???? I agree with pneuma, your minds do not work properly at all.
You said that he chooses based on what we will choose. That means that it's up to us. If that's the case he depends on us.
The Bible doesn't state that anywhere. I'd be curious what passage you base that on. On the other hand, Scripture is clear that he predestines us before the foundations of the world based on HIS will, not anything we do.
fwiw, I disagree with the Calvinistic viewpoint that says that God arbitrarily chose out some for heaven and some for hell.
He did choose us; but He chooses us on the basis of the choice that we will make in our lives either to receive or reject Christ; because from the beginning of time He foreknew what choice each of us would make.
I believe that predestination is according to foreknowledge according to Romans 8:29-30 and 1 Peter 1:2.
partly correct, but predestination is only concerning life and God knows exactly how to bring all to that life, He simply cannot fail to do that which he started. He is not man that starts to build a tower but is unable to finish it.
Yes. Considering that we all deserve eternal hell, he's good.
It also testifies to his holiness and sovereignty. You don't like it? ok. Fine. You're not God. He is. You don't have to like it for him to be God.
why is it you believe you deserve eternal hell? what is it you could have possibly done before you were even born to deserve eternal hell?
Do people deserve eternal hell for not believing in Jesus? if so the world would be far better off if he never came into it.
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