Why Did God Place the Tree of Good and Evil in the Garden? (preaching, Holy Spirit)

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

You said that he chooses based on what we will choose. That means that it's up to us. If that's the case he depends on us.

The Bible doesn't state that anywhere. I'd be curious what passage you base that on. On the other hand, Scripture is clear that he predestines us before the foundations of the world based on HIS will, not anything we do.

and it is His will that none perish, but all come to life.

the salvation of the world.

no? why not BF? if predestination is from the foundation of the world and God gets what he will and He wills the salvation of the world why is it you do not believe in it?

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

You think God is responsible for sin? The Bible doesn't suggest that. What kind of imperfect, flawed god do you believe in?

well burning people alive for eternity (basically killing people very very slowly) is a sin.

Thou shalt not kill.

I don't have a flawed God, the God I believe in gets His hearts desire and can and will accomplish all he set out to do.

[BaptistFundie]

Originally Posted by pneuma

and it is His will that none perish, but all come to life.

It's also his will that none would sin. But we do. So obviously what he wishes and what he allows are not the same thing.

the salvation of the world.

no? why not BF? if predestination is from the foundation of the world and God gets what he will and He wills the salvation of the world why is it you do not believe in it?

Nowhere in Scripture do we see the idea of universal salvation. If there was, the apostles and those who have been martyred were suckers. But they willingly chose to go to their deaths in order to preach the Gospel.

[justbyfaith]

Originally Posted by pneuma

well burning people alive for eternity (basically killing people very very slowly) is a sin.

Thou shalt not kill.

I don't have a flawed God, the God I believe in gets His hearts desire and can and will accomplish all he set out to do.

The God that I serve does not infringe on the human right to make a free will decision as to whether or not I will serve Him.

While all of those who choose not to serve Him will all end up in the same place among murderers and thieves.

[BaptistFundie]

Originally Posted by justbyfaith

The God that I serve does not infringe on the human right to make a free will decision as to whether or not I will serve Him.

While all of those who choose not to serve Him will all end up in the same place among murderers and thieves.

What do you base that on? Scripture doesn't suggest it.

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

It's also his will that none would sin. But we do. So obviously what he wishes and what he allows are not the same thing.

You pit mans puny will against Gods will and give man the victory.

Nowhere in Scripture do we see the idea of universal salvation. If there was, the apostles and those who have been martyred were suckers. But they willingly chose to go to their deaths in order to preach the Gospel.

and the gospel they preached was

Jesus Christ is the saviour of ALL MEN, specially/chiefly of those that believe. This command and teach

they were not the suckers BF you have been and it is time you opened your eyes.

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by justbyfaith

The God that I serve does not infringe on the human right to make a free will decision as to whether or not I will serve Him.

While all of those who choose not to serve Him will all end up in the same place among murderers and thieves.

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

What do you base that on? Scripture doesn't suggest it.

Hey BF we actually agree on something.

[justbyfaith]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

What do you base that on? Scripture doesn't suggest it.

The very fact that there is a heaven and a hell ought to tell you that what I have said is the reality.

Is not the judgment, where God places men either in heaven or in hell, a final separation of what is good and what is evil?

For there can be no evil in heaven, in order that heaven might truly be heavenly.

It just takes some thinking on your part about why God places people in hell in the first place.

It is because they won't be separated from their sin.

And because, at a specific point, all sin will be cast into the lake of fire no matter what choice certain people have made.

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

What do you base that on? Scripture doesn't suggest it.

Originally Posted by justbyfaith

The very fact that there is a heaven and a hell ought to tell you that what I have said is the reality.

Is not the judgment, where God places men either in heaven or in hell, a final separation of what is good and what is evil?

For there can be no evil in heaven, in order that heaven might truly be heavenly.

It just takes some thinking on your part about why God places people in hell in the first place.

It is because they won't be separated from their sin.

And because, at a specific point, all sin will be cast into the lake of fire no matter what choice certain people have made.

he asked you for scripture and you said he just needs to think on it

[Charlie24]

Originally Posted by BaptistFundie

What do you base that on? Scripture doesn't suggest it.

First thing that comes to my mind is Rom. 10:13,

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

It is through the Gospel message that man will call on God, totally his choice.