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Where do you get the information that tells you what Jesus unambiguously demonstrated about God's Holy Spirit?
How do you know that that information is viable?
If you throw out other things in holy scripture, how is the scripture that you base your faith on, viable in your opinion?
It is viable because it is entirely compatible and consistent with the Holy Spirit of God revealed by Jesus' "mind of Christ". Are you unable to extract the nature and "mind of Christ" from what Jesus did and how He reacted to His scourging and crucifixion?? Do you think AT ALL or just regurgitate what you have been told about God from the Bible instead of using what Jesus unambiguously revealed about the True Nature of God.
The Bible was needed to tell us about Jesus so we would recognize the True Nature of God from the nature of Jesus and would know the "mind of God" from the "mind of Christ." You are misusing the Bible in ways it was not intended to be used by ignoring Jesus and His Holy Spirit (Comforter) as your inerrant guide to the Truth.
It is viable because it is entirely compatible and consistent with the Holy Spirit of God revealed by Jesus' "mind of Christ". Are you unable to extract the nature and "mind of Christ" from what Jesus did and how He reacted to His scourging and crucifixion?? Do you think AT ALL or just regurgitate what you have been told about God from the Bible instead of using what Jesus unambiguously revealed about the True Nature of God.
The Bible was needed to tell us about Jesus so we would recognize the True Nature of God from the nature of Jesus and would know the "mind of God" from the "mind of Christ." You are misusing the Bible in ways it was not intended to be used by ignoring Jesus and His Holy Spirit (Comforter) as your inerrant guide to the Truth.
On the same token, "are you unable to extract the" judgement of Christ He preached?
Seems to me you have no trouble extracting what you want to extract.
Adam and Eve knew no evil, they had no idea what sin was. They were perfect and in a perfect atmosphere. If God had not placed the possibility of sin before them in the Tree of Good and Evil, sin would not have entered the world and we would not be in this mess.
When they sinned by disobeying God, everything fell with man. The plant world fell, the animal world fell, even the ground/soil fell. All that was perfect has now fallen into a curse, all because of sin.
God knew this would happen! So why did He allow it to happen? Some say God is unjust and cruel enjoying the suffering of man on this earth. Others say He lost control of His creation. This is stupidity to say the least.
Actually, the scripture doesn't straight out tell us why He placed that Tree in the Garden. After reading the thoughts of many Theologians through the years, I have come to the conclusion that God wanted to show man from the very beginning who he really is in his natural state. Man is self-seeking, a pleaser of himself, clearly seen in his believing the lie of Satan over God.
It's no secret God wants man to worship Him, but He will not have robots running about. He wants us to love, honor and worship Him of our own free will. The first step of achieving this is to show man who he really is left on his own. Man with this free will must choose what he will do with that free will. He has no choice but to make that choice, his way or God's way.
Personally, I look at this life we live, and a short time it really is compared to eternity, as the period of time God has given us to make that choice. Some have more time than others to make that choice, that is totally in the hands of God.
But make that choice we must, no way around it, ignoring it is the choice to ignore God and choose one's own way through this life. So this leaves us with the question, what is God's way?
His way is the way of life and our way is the way of death, spiritually speaking.
So we have an inevitable choice to make in this life. That choice will determine our final destiny after this life is over on this earth. It is without a doubt the most important decision man will ever make.
Why would God set man up like that? It's ridiculous when you think about it. Like it was some kind of power play. No human parent would do that to a child. They'd do everything they could to love and protect them without having to make them "prove" their love and obedience. It's actually pretty sick. The bible God is a very small God if his ego is so fragile that he has to have somebody worshipping him all the time. Sounds narcissistic to me.
Why would God set man up like that? It's ridiculous when you think about it. Like it was some kind of power play. No human parent would do that to a child. They'd do everything they could to love and protect them without having to make them "prove" their love and obedience. It's actually pretty sick. The bible God is a very small God if his ego is so fragile that he has to have somebody worshipping him all the time. Sounds narcissistic to me.
It might be because the only way He could salvage mankind with free will was to put to death His perfect Son for us to live. Jesus Christ dying on that Cross was not an easy thing for God to do for us. When we deny His Son, His wrath begins to rise.
It might be because the only way He could salvage mankind with free will was to put to death His perfect Son for us to live. Jesus Christ dying on that Cross was not an easy thing for God to do for us. When we deny His Son, His wrath begins to rise.
Nah, I'm going with a God who would require this as being narcissistic and having a fragile ego.
Like God could have destroyed the devil and his hoards after the cross of Christ ..... but God now had a people who was anointed of Christ, and they have the finished works of Jesus Christ and everything of Jesus belongs to the children of God ......... So there would be no challenge for the promise people of Christ, so God left the devil and his hoards on the earth for a challenge ............. Same is for Adam everything of God the whole earth belong to Adam, so the tree of knowledge was the challenge for the blessed Adam ..... Then God said from Deuteronomy 30;19 ... ``I call heaven and the earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing, there for choose life, that both you and our seed may live `` ............. See God has a plan and the goodness is the goal
It is viable because it is entirely compatible and consistent with the Holy Spirit of God revealed by Jesus' "mind of Christ". Are you unable to extract the nature and "mind of Christ" from what Jesus did and how He reacted to His scourging and crucifixion?? Do you think AT ALL or just regurgitate what you have been told about God from the Bible instead of using what Jesus unambiguously revealed about the True Nature of God.
The Bible was needed to tell us about Jesus so we would recognize the True Nature of God from the nature of Jesus and would know the "mind of God" from the "mind of Christ." You are misusing the Bible in ways it was not intended to be used by ignoring Jesus and His Holy Spirit (Comforter) as your inerrant guide to the Truth.
I take a different lesson from the Cross than you do, apparently.
The death that Jesus suffered on the Cross was the punishment we deserved.
It is commonly known that the gospel of Jesus Christ is that He died in our place and took the penalty on the Cross for our sins (see also 1 Corinthians 15:1-4).
So, if we do not receive His dying in our place, we must die in our own place.
And that means, suffering the penalty that we saw Christ take.
It should be clear that the only reason why He was able to escape the bounds of the grave was because of His Deity.
If it had been us, we would have been dead for ever; with whatever it feels like to be dead.
The next time you start to die you ought to consider this. Maybe hold your breath for 60 seconds and see if you want that experience to continue for ever. Because who is to say that the pain of dying ends when your spirit/soul leaves your body? there are those in Christianity who contend for soul sleep; that would indicate that the spirit/soul does not leave the body; but that you continue to experience whatevr happens to the body after you are dead.
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Why would God set man up like that? It's ridiculous when you think about it. Like it was some kind of power play. No human parent would do that to a child. They'd do everything they could to love and protect them without having to make them "prove" their love and obedience. It's actually pretty sick. The bible God is a very small God if his ego is so fragile that he has to have somebody worshipping him all the time. Sounds narcissistic to me.
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Nah, I'm going with a God who would require this as being narcissistic and having a fragile ego.
Realizing that it will not do you any good according to your own opinion, I will here answer by quoting the holy scriptures; as an experiment to see whether the word of the Lord actually is "sharper than any two-edged sword" (Hebrews 4:12).
Jde 1:11, Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
Jde 1:12, These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jde 1:13, Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Jde 1:14, And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jde 1:15, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jde 1:16, These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
For saying hard speeches against the Lord, the Bible calls you an "ungodly sinner" awaiting judgment.
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On the same token, "are you unable to extract the" judgment of Christ He preached?
Seems to me you have no trouble extracting what you want to extract.
You only call it judgment because you do NOT use the God Jesus revealed. You use the wrathful War God of the Israelites to infer that He is judging and imposing the consequences. The God of Jesus is NOT imposing anything. They are the natural consequences of the kind of Spirit you have become, period. They are NOT punishments or judgments, just consequences. Jesus was just warning them in the only terms they understood.
You only call it judgment because you do NOT use the God Jesus revealed. You use the wrathful War God of the Israelites to infer that He is judging and imposing the consequences. The God of Jesus is NOT imposing anything. They are the natural consequences of the kind of Spirit you have become, period. They are NOT punishments or judgments, just consequences. Jesus was just warning them in the only terms they understood.
The "war God" of the Israelites is the Most High God; and He is Omnipotent.
In Mark 4:36, the disciples "took Jesus as He was into the ship"
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob proclaims that His name is "I AM WHO I AM".
Jesus claimed to be the same God that I am speaking of in John 8:58.
The Pharisees understood that Jesus, being a Man, was claiming to be God at that point (John 8:59, John 10:31-33).
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