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Adam and Eve knew no evil, they had no idea what sin was. They were perfect and in a perfect atmosphere. If God had not placed the possibility of sin before them in the Tree of Good and Evil, sin would not have entered the world and we would not be in this mess.
When they sinned by disobeying God, everything fell with man. The plant world fell, the animal world fell, even the ground/soil fell. All that was perfect has now fallen into a curse, all because of sin.
God knew this would happen! So why did He allow it to happen? Some say God is unjust and cruel enjoying the suffering of man on this earth. Others say He lost control of His creation. This is stupidity to say the least.
Actually, the scripture doesn't straight out tell us why He placed that Tree in the Garden. After reading the thoughts of many Theologians through the years, I have come to the conclusion that God wanted to show man from the very beginning who he really is in his natural state. Man is self-seeking, a pleaser of himself, clearly seen in his believing the lie of Satan over God.
It's no secret God wants man to worship Him, but He will not have robots running about. He wants us to love, honor and worship Him of our own free will. The first step of achieving this is to show man who he really is left on his own. Man with this free will must choose what he will do with that free will. He has no choice but to make that choice, his way or God's way.
Personally, I look at this life we live, and a short time it really is compared to eternity, as the period of time God has given us to make that choice. Some have more time than others to make that choice, that is totally in the hands of God.
But make that choice we must, no way around it, ignoring it is the choice to ignore God and choose one's own way through this life. So this leaves us with the question, what is God's way?
His way is the way of life and our way is the way of death, spiritually speaking.
So we have an inevitable choice to make in this life. That choice will determine our final destiny after this life is over on this earth. It is without a doubt the most important decision man will ever make.
If one focuses on that which is permitted then that which is not permitted will not be thought of...They were allowed to eat of every tree in the garden except for that one tree...
HaSatan was told that he could do whatever he wanted to Job except for one thing, the taking of Job’s life...
It seems that HaSatan was better at obeying G-d than was mankind...
If one focuses on that which is permitted then that which is not permitted will not be thought of...They were allowed to eat of every tree in the garden except for that one tree...
HaSatan was told that he could do whatever he wanted to Job except for one thing, the taking of Job’s life...
It seems that HaSatan was better at obeying G-d than was mankind...
Satan is a spiritual being created in a different atmosphere than man. He has different rules to abide by than man. Satan told God that he couldn't get to Job because He had a hedge around him.
We see from this that Satan could do absolutely nothing to Job without permission, unlike man, wouldn't you say?
"It's no secret God wants man to worship Him,"
God wants people to pay attention to God's message , not worship. There was another message from Moloch.
It's no secret God wants man to worship Him, but He will not have robots running about.
I edited out your entire post to this sentence. However whether it be a sentence, a paragraph, a book..whatever.
It is impossible to square "free will" and omniscience. This is particularly true when God is in the prophecy business. But since somehow many Christians have to figure out a way for them to coexist...they manage to do so in their own mind.
I tend to see the entire Garden of Eden missive as an ode to the "good 'ole days"...
When men lived in the equatorial zone and ate fruits and nuts along with the animals. Slowly we attained "knowledge" and we changed our lifestyle. We were able to live in new environments with said knowledge...but it came with a price.
I see the story as an allegory to this fact of existence. And we see the same story today. On this very C-D forum. Substitute the '70s, or the '50s or the horse and buggy era (Amish) era. It's the exact same lamenting for the "good old days" and we didn't have so much technology and didn't do as much sinnin'.
I edited out your entire post to this sentence. However whether it be a sentence, a paragraph, a book..whatever.
It is impossible to square "free will" and omniscience. This is particularly true when God is in the prophecy business. But since somehow many Christians have to figure out a way for them to coexist...they manage to do so in their own mind.
I tend to see the entire Garden of Eden missive as an ode to the "good 'ole days"...
When men lived in the equatorial zone and ate fruits and nuts along with the animals. Slowly we attained "knowledge" and we changed our lifestyle. We were able to live in new environments with said knowledge...but it came with a price.
I see the story as an allegory to this fact of existence. And we see the same story today. On this very C-D forum. Substitute the '70s, or the '50s or the horse and buggy era (Amish) era. It's the exact same lamenting for the "good old days" and we didn't have so much technology and didn't do as much sinnin'.
You can see it however you like! But one thing has not changed, Adam and Eve chose their way in this world just as we still do.
Last edited by Charlie24; 07-09-2021 at 07:44 AM..
"It's no secret God wants man to worship Him,"
God wants people to pay attention to God's message , not worship. There was another message from Moloch.
Satan is a spiritual being created in a different atmosphere than man. He has different rules to abide by than man. Satan told God that he couldn't get to Job because He had a hedge around him.
We see from this that Satan could do absolutely nothing to Job without permission, unlike man, wouldn't you say?
So, you are stating that angels do not have free will?...
Wow, I didn't know I said that! I thought I said Satan can cause no harm to His elect without permission.
Well, I thought that HaSatan was rebellious?...
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