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Old 07-19-2021, 07:21 PM
 
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Too bad you have to settle for being "declared" righteous instead of actually becoming righteous.
Mark 10:18:

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Isaiah: 14:12-14:

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
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Old 07-19-2021, 08:34 PM
 
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You are far from being righteous, if you believe your doctrines are the end-all-of one's understanding.
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I am justified ("declared righteous") through the shed blood of Jesus Christ (Romans 3:25, Romans 5:1, Romans 5:9).
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Too bad you have to settle for being "declared" righteous instead of actually becoming righteous.
Actions will always speak louder than words.
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Old 07-19-2021, 08:46 PM
 
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I am justified ("declared righteous") through the shed blood of Jesus Christ (Romans 3:25, Romans 5:1, Romans 5:9).


2nd Corinthians 5:21 "For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."

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Old 07-19-2021, 08:50 PM
 
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Mark 10:18:

18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Isaiah: 14:12-14:

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Job 1:1 says, "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." No one is as God is, but it's ludicrous to think that there aren't many good people in the world. We should all be striving towards betterment, and not just be complacent and assume that all is well if we acknowledge that we're sinners. The purpose of our time on earth is to become like Jesus Christ.
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Old 07-19-2021, 09:00 PM
 
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Job 1:1 says, "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." No one is as God is, but it's ludicrous to think that there aren't many good people in the world. We should all be striving towards betterment, and not just be complacent and assume that all is well if we acknowledge that we're sinners. The purpose of our time on earth is to become like Jesus Christ.
To walk uprightly and to eschew evil is to avoid touching the unclean thing (2 Cor 6:17), which is man's righteousness (Isaiah 64:6).
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Old 07-19-2021, 09:16 PM
 
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Too bad you have to settle for being "declared" righteous instead of actually becoming righteous.
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Actions will always speak louder than words.
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I am justified ("declared righteous") through the shed blood of Jesus Christ (Romans 3:25, Romans 5:1, Romans 5:9).
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2nd Corinthians 5:21 "For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."

Eventually, you will get there, Jimmiej. Although it may take some time.
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Old 07-19-2021, 09:17 PM
 
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Job 1:1 says, "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." No one is as God is, but it's ludicrous to think that there aren't many good people in the world. We should all be striving towards betterment, and not just be complacent and assume that all is well if we acknowledge that we're sinners. The purpose of our time on earth is to become like Jesus Christ.
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Old 07-19-2021, 09:44 PM
 
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Job 1:1 says, "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." No one is as God is, but it's ludicrous to think that there aren't many good people in the world. We should all be striving towards betterment, and not just be complacent and assume that all is well if we acknowledge that we're sinners. The purpose of our time on earth is to become like Jesus Christ.
Like Job. He was perfect and upright. You posted it right there.
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Old 07-20-2021, 12:10 AM
 
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I would abhor a God who required a blood sacrifice to forgive me or love me, period!!! That is NOT God that is a Godfather making an offer you better not refuse, OR ELSE!!!! Totally worthless.IMO!
It is certainly your prerogative to reject the salvation that is offered to you by Almighty God.

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Too bad you have to settle for being "declared" righteous instead of actually becoming righteous.
It is impossible for God to lie (Hebrews 6:18, Titus 1:2). So, if He declares me righteous, I am righteous (Romans 4:17).

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Since we absolutely can NOT control or CHOOSE what we truly believe, that is a stupid requirement. We cannot possibly be righteous for something we have no control over. It is our FAITH in Jesus as demonstrated by our attempts to love as He did in our daily lives that show our FAITH in Him and His promises, NOT whatever you proclaim to believe ABOUT Him.
You can control what you believe if you will but spend time in the word of God (Romans 10:17).

Give to God this challenge: "I don't know if You're real; but I'm going to start reading Your word and doing what it says; and I know that if You're real, You will reveal Yourself to me." (see John 7:17).

When I said that to God, He came upon me by His Holy Spirit with waves of liquid love and gave me a joy unspeakable and full of glory and a peace that passes all understanding.
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Old 07-20-2021, 12:15 AM
 
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Job 1:1 says, "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." No one is as God is, but it's ludicrous to think that there aren't many good people in the world. We should all be striving towards betterment, and not just be complacent and assume that all is well if we acknowledge that we're sinners. The purpose of our time on earth is to become like Jesus Christ.
Job had impurities that rose to the top in the process of his righteousness being questioned by his three friends.

Question: in Job 32, why was Elihu angry with Job?

Answer: Job "justified himself rather than God" (Job 32:2) and "was righteous in his own eyes" (Job 32:1).

Even to the point that he was willing to condemn God in order that he might be righteous (Job 40:8); according to God's own words.

Thus, Job 1:1 is not an exception to the rule that we find in Romans 3:23.
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