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And I say, that the Scriptures are syncretistic in nature, mixed and blended with various beliefs from a variety of cultures. But I do not expect you to have much in the way of spiritual discernment, or common sense for that matter.
And I say, that the Scriptures are syncretistic in nature, mixed and blended with various beliefs from a variety of cultures. But I do not expect you to have much in the way of spiritual discernment, or common sense for that matter.
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Originally Posted by Charlie24
Sounds like an excuse to deny what is not liked!
Because you have made the choice to follow in ignorance, don't assume that others will do the same.
Of course, it should be clear, if you read Revelation 6:12-17, that Jesus Christ has wrath against sin.
Considering that He is the Lamb of God (John 1:29,36).
Are we going to play dueling rote mantras now? First of all, NOTHING is ever clear from reading Revelation. Second, ALL scripture has been interpreted using the God of Moses as the context instead of the God revealed by Jesus on the Cross. That is a major error that MUST be corrected if you wish to know the TRUTH about God and Jesus and how and why He saved us.
1st Corinthians 3:2-3 (NKJV) I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?
You resist the truth and continue to drink "carnal milk" at your own peril, but now that you have been told, you have no excuse when you stand before God. You are denying Christ and promoting Moses because you refuse to lift the veil using the Holy Spirit of Christ.
2nd Corinthians 3:14-17 (King James Version)
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
The Holy Spirit is the True Nature of God's Consciousness NOT a separate person. Jesus is a fully human person who brought the True Nature of God's consciousness to His human consciousness so that when we fully understand Jesus' true nature we understand God's. This is the true Gospel of Christ that acknowledges that Jesus is God in the flesh. He brought God's Holy Spirit to His human consciousness and we are all supposed to try to do the same.
When Jesus died as a human and His human consciousness was reborn as Spirit, His human consciousness became pure Spirit and joined God. He abides with us in our consciousness as the Comforter (Holy Spirit) sent in His name to guide us to the truth God has "written in our hearts. We are to strive to bring as much of that true nature of God's consciousness to our consciousness with the help of the Comforter. As an aid in doing that, here are the characteristics of God's true nature (Holy Spirit):
The Holy Spirit IS the True Nature of God revealed, described, and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus. He IS agape love, kindness, mercy, compassion, gentleness, unconditional acceptance, empathy, sympathy, tolerance, long-suffering, decency, friendliness, peacefulness, joyfulness, understanding, care, concern, solicitude, solicitousness, sensitivity, tender-heartedness, soft-heartedness, warm-heartedness, warmth, love, brotherly love, tenderness, gentleness, mercifulness, leniency, lenience, consideration, kindness, humanity, humaneness, kind-heartedness, charity, benevolence, and He is non-judgmental.
We will let the reader decide how clear the following scripture is as concerning the concept that Jesus has wrath and justice (judgment) against sin.
Jhn 1:29, The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Jhn 1:36, And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
Rev 6:12, And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13, And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14, And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15, And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16, And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17, For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
We will let the reader decide how clear the following scripture is as concerning the concept that Jesus has wrath and justice (judgment) against sin.
Yo! That was written and interpreted by primitive men who knew of no other God than the wrathful God of Moses!!! What do you not understand about that and how it determined what was written???? That is the veil that is over the hearts from reading the OT and Moses.
It is only the Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness revealed by Jesus on the Cross that softens the heart and enables the correct interpretation of scripture and frees you from the fear of the wrath of God. The Holy Spirit also gives you liberty from the bondage of sin as long as you love God and each other every day and repent when you fail.
It was written by John who had firsthand contact with Jesus. Therefore I think that he knows Jesus better than you do.
The following is true not only of the OT authors; but of the NT penners of holy scripture also.
2Pe 1:19, We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Pe 1:20, Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21, For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
I pray that the Holy Spirit might illuminate this scripture to your heart, Mystic.
Yo! That was written and interpreted by primitive men who knew of no other God than the wrathful God of Moses!!! What do you not understand about that and how it determined what was written???? That is the veil that is over the hearts from reading the OT and Moses.
It is only the Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness revealed by Jesus on the Cross that softens the heart and enables the correct interpretation of scripture and frees you from the fear of the wrath of God. The Holy Spirit also gives you liberty from the bondage of sin as long as you love God and each other every day and repent when you fail.
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Originally Posted by justbyfaith
It was written by John who had firsthand contact with Jesus. Therefore I think that he knows Jesus better than you do.
First, we do not know who wrote it but we can be certain they believed in a wrathful God. That was the only God they knew. That is why the unambiguous demonstration of God's True Nature by Jesus was so badly misinterpreted as appeasing the wrath of God. Such an interpretation and its rationalizations make no sense whatsoever to any non-primitive mind that is NOT completely convinced God is wrathful and is the ONLY possible source of negative happenings.
I pray that the Holy Spirit might illuminate all scripture to your heart instead of Moses, JBF!
First, we do not know who wrote it but we can be certain they believed in a wrathful God. That was the only God they knew. That is why the unambiguous demonstration of God's True Nature by Jesus was so badly misinterpreted as appeasing the wrath of God. Such an interpretation and its rationalizations make no sense whatsoever to any non-primitive mind that is NOT completely convinced God is wrathful and is the ONLY possible source of negative happenings.
I pray that the Holy Spirit might illuminate all scripture to your heart instead of Moses, JBF!
The one who penned the book of Revelation identifies himself as the apostle John (Revelation 1:4); who also witnessed the literal crucifixion of Jesus (John 19:26-27, 21:20,24)..
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