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God have mercy, you have one perverted mind, pneuma! It does NOT say the dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie, will enter into the city!
It distinctly says THEY WILL NOT, they are outside the city, not as in standing at the gate looking in. We plainly see they have been cast into the Lake of Fire back in Rev. 20.
What is wrong with you that you pervert the scripture this way?
charlie ONLY the dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie are without the gates.
So it is obvious that it is speaking of them when it says that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
So in contrary to your THEY WILL NOT, it distinctly say THEY WILL.
So again you actually see this and keep rejecting it, perverting the scripture by your doctrine.
charlie ONLY the dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie are without the gates.
So it is obvious that it is speaking of them when it says that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
So in contrary to your THEY WILL NOT, it distinctly say THEY WILL.
So again you actually see this and keep rejecting it, perverting the scripture by your doctrine.
Since it is very likely against the rules of the boards to tell you my real opinion concerning this, I will let that one slide.
I will say this...the only way to become a "born again Christian" is to believe in Jesus and what He did for you in offering up His life as a propitiation for your sins, taking the penalty for your sins on the Cross and absorbing the justice and wrath of a holy God unto Himself.
But Paul wrote that in the latter days men would not endure sound doctrine but would heap to themselves teachers to tell them what their itching ears want to hear.
The real message of Christianity may not be not popular, as your message very likely will be (see 1 John 4:4-6)...but it is true.
If it were not against the rules, then I also would give you an ear full of my thoughts concerning people such as yourself. But I will restrain myself and merely say this, that using the Scriptures to exalt yourself is utter foolishness and irrational. Especially, when much of what you believe is false. You have absolutely no discernment, and are unable to distinguish good from that which is wicked or evil.
I am a Christian who believes Jesus is God in the flesh and my Savior and I follow Jesus Christ. No matter what bogey man you try to associate me with, that will never change.
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I will say this...the only way to become a "born again Christian" is to believe in Jesus and what He did for you in offering up His life as a propitiation for your sins, taking the penalty for your sins on the Cross and absorbing the justice and wrath of a holy God unto Himself.
But Paul wrote that in the latter days men would not endure sound doctrine but would heap to themselves teachers to tell them what their itching ears want to hear.
If any interpretation of what happened to Jesus on the Cross and how He reacted to it is demon-inspired that surely is! Jesus as God in the flesh had no wrath or vengeance in Him despite horrendous scourging and crucifixion. He had perfect agape love and forgiveness, even for His torturers and murderers.
Yet, you would have us believe that God is so wrathful and vengeful that He needed this barbarically brutal and savage horror just so He could forgive us for "whatever!" What exactly is the purpose of all the convoluted rigamarole of torturing and murdering Himself to enable Himself to forgive us for what He Himself wants to forgive us for????? Do you call that sound doctrine????
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The real message of Christianity may not be not popular, as your message very likely will be (see 1 John 4:4-6)...but it is true.
The real message of Christianity is supposed to be the Gospel of Jesus Christ as God in the flesh, which means the Good News of Jesus Christ's agape love and forgiveness on the Cross. Your Bad News Gospel of brutal savagery to appease God's wrath and vengeance is NOT remotely Good News and is NOT the real Christianity. It is irrational and portrays God as evil. If anything is demon-inspired that would be it.
The scripture says nowhere that they repent, that they even have a chance to repent!
The scripture nowhere places them in the city in any way, they are in the Lake of Fire!
Show me where you came up with this total and complete assumption!
There is a lot of things that can not be taught and shown explicitly regarding the higher, broader, deeper things
Children learn some things by rote but after a certain stage you need to apply the things learnt at school
I am putting things forward for any to think on, I’m not wanting to teach anyone as such, because you all “know” the Scriptures from your various denominational backgrounds - we are now at the stage of application, applying the things we have learnt
There is a lot of things that can not be taught and shown explicitly regarding the higher, broader, deeper things
Children learn some things by rote but after a certain stage you need to apply the things learnt at school
I am putting things forward for any to think on, I’m not wanting to teach anyone as such, because you all “know” the Scriptures from your various denominational backgrounds - we are now at the stage of application, applying the things we have learnt
In other words, departing from scripture to the imaginations of man!
That's the kind of stuff the Apostles warned us of, Meerkat!
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