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Why do you slum it around here? I believe you've said you don't identify as a Christian. So why do come here only to harass and to spout off stuff contrary to what the Bible says? I just can't fathom why you'd care so much.
No, I'm not suggesting anyone isn't welcome. I just am curious
I have never said any such thing, BF. I don't come here to harass. I come to spout off stuff compatible with the unambiguous revelation and demonstration of God's Holy Spirit of agape love by Jesus Christ as described in the Bible. In my view, I am more Christian than those who follow a wrathful, vengeful God because that is NOT how Christ presents Himself.
A (born again) Christian is someone who has received the gift of righteousness that God has given through the propitiation of Christ dying on the Cross in his place and for his sins, in order to bring him forgiveness of sins.
A (born again) Christian is someone who has been forgiven of his sins through what Christ did for him on the Cross.
A (born again) Christian is someone who has the righteousness of Christ imputed to him because his sins were imputed to Christ when Christ died on the Cross in his place.
If anyone does not have faith in Christ dying in his place, he is not a "born again" Christian.
While I will abide by my previous statement that anyone who says to the real Jesus, "Lord, Lord" is a Christian...in order that we may keep our definitions broad enough that we may not be persecuted by the powers that be.
A (born again) Christian is someone who has received the gift of righteousness that God has given through the propitiation of Christ dying on the Cross in his place and for his sins, in order to bring him forgiveness of sins.
A (born again) Christian is someone who has been forgiven of his sins through what Christ did for him on the Cross.
A (born again) Christian is someone who has the righteousness of Christ imputed to him because his sins were imputed to Christ when Christ died on the Cross in his place.
If anyone does not have faith in Christ dying in his place, he is not a "born again" Christian.
While I will abide by my previous statement that anyone who says to the real Jesus, "Lord, Lord" is a Christian...in order that we may keep our definitions broad enough that we may not be persecuted by the powers that be.
::Sigh:: As usual in some dogma-driven translations, they ignore even obvious indications of the true meaning using the many alternative possible meanings of the words.
John 3:3-4 King James Version (KJV)
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
born again = gennaō anōthen
gennaō = conceived, begotten
anōthen = from the beginning (over again)
This version is clearly confirmed as born over again (reborn) by the second verse from Nicodemus.
John 3:6-8 (King James Version)
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
I would like any one of the "born again" Christians in their physical bodies to "bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth" because "so is every one that is born of the Spirit."
These passages suggest that we will be born over again after our death as a Spirit because we obviously cannot be born all over again as a Spirit while still in our mortal body. That which is born of Spirit is Spirit. No one can flit about like the wind in their physical bodies.
This is contrary to your beliefs that you are “born again” while still alive in your mortal body. This after-death concept is reinforced in 1 Corinthians 15:36:
36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die.
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I have never said any such thing, BF. I don't come here to harass. I come to spout off stuff compatible with the unambiguous revelation and demonstration of God's Holy Spirit of agape love by Jesus Christ as described in the Bible. In my view, I am more Christian than those who follow a wrathful, vengeful God because that is NOT how Christ presents Himself.
My humble apologies. I will try to remember that and won't suggest you have identified otherwise.
it's interesting that you believe you're "more Christian" than others here. The Bible really doesn't talk about Christians as a progression of "more Christian" or "less Christian". One either is or isn't.
My humble apologies. I will try to remember that and won't suggest you have identified otherwise.
it's interesting that you believe you're "more Christian" than others here. The Bible really doesn't talk about Christians as a progression of "more Christian" or "less Christian". One either is or isn't.
But depending on what part of the systems of Christianity that one has been brought up in there is this “inbred” biased view that your type Is more Christian than another type - this has been playing out over the past 2000 years with the splitting up into an ever greater number of “denominations”
My humble apologies. I will try to remember that and won't suggest you have identified otherwise.
it's interesting that you believe you're "more Christian" than others here. The Bible really doesn't talk about Christians as a progression of "more Christian" or "less Christian". One either is or isn't.
It is not complicated, BF. My version of God is more compatible with the True Nature of God's Holy Spirit of agape love unambiguously demonstrated by Jesus on the Cross. That makes it more CHRISTian than the wrathful and vengeful version you follow, IMO. YMMV
I have never said any such thing, BF. I don't come here to harass. I come to spout off stuff compatible with the unambiguous revelation and demonstration of God's Holy Spirit of agape love by Jesus Christ as described in the Bible. In my view, I am more Christian than those who follow a wrathful, vengeful God because that is NOT how Christ presents Himself.
The Apostle Paul viewed himself as the least among his fellow believers. Just sayin’.
My humble apologies. I will try to remember that and won't suggest you have identified otherwise.
it's interesting that you believe you're "more Christian" than others here. The Bible really doesn't talk about Christians as a progression of "more Christian" or "less Christian". One either is or isn't.
imo, he is "more Christian" than many others. I mean understanding what Christianity is about.
Yes, if you don't mind, I would be interested, thanks. I still do not quite understand the death of the spirit Adam experienced. How can a body be without spirit? Isn't a soul a body and spirit ?
Ok I will see if I can find it, I know we spoke of it on CD but I believe we actually started the long debate on tentmaker. I would like to find the start as I believe that is where most of your questions are related to.
As to this question
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I still do not quite understand the death of the spirit Adam experienced. How can a body be without spirit?
The spiritual death has nothing to do with our physical body, soul and spirit it is speaking of the law which is spiritual and a ministration of death. The law is really cool when you start to contemplate on it and apply it to the scriptures.
It is spiritual
It is a ministration of death
It is a schoolmaster
It leads us to Christ
It gives us the knowledge of good and evil or sin
Some are under the law (spiritually dead)
Some the law has no power over (spiritually alive)
It is the wrath of God
and so much more.
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