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Old 08-13-2021, 02:42 PM
 
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Matthew 22:21. Just wondering why, even in Jesus' time Caesar was quite long dead yet referred to him instead of the acing Emperor Tiberius.
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Old 08-13-2021, 02:51 PM
 
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Matthew 22:21. Just wondering why, even in Jesus' time Caesar was quite long dead yet referred to him instead of the acing Emperor Tiberius.
Tiberius was Tiberius Caesar Augustus
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Old 08-13-2021, 02:59 PM
 
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Actually the name of the emperor was Tiberius Caesar, as there were 12 Caesar brothers during the golden age of Rome from Julius the first Caesar to Flavius Domitian the last Caesar from 79 BC to 96 AD..... many were murdered
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Old 08-13-2021, 03:04 PM
 
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Caesar became a title after Julius Caesar and many Roman Emperors adopted it.

There was indeed a Caesar during Jesus' time.
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Old 08-13-2021, 03:10 PM
 
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Matthew 22:21. Just wondering why, even in Jesus' time Caesar was quite long dead yet referred to him instead of the acing Emperor Tiberius.
Caesar is a name, where Emperor is a title. All the Caesars were Emperors, rulers of the Roman Empire.

Tiberius after becoming Emperor was named, Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus.

I really would have to look up the name thing associated with Emperor as I really don't remember how that got started, but I do know it's somewhat complicated. I think it began with Julius Caesar.
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Old 08-13-2021, 05:13 PM
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_(title)
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Old 08-14-2021, 06:33 AM
 
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Matthew 22:21. Just wondering why, even in Jesus' time Caesar was quite long dead yet referred to him instead of the acing Emperor Tiberius.

Great question! Acts 5:29 can further the understanding of it as compared to Romans 13:1,2. It means to be obedient to the governments, however, do not obey them if it would mean disobeying God.
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Old 08-14-2021, 07:22 AM
 
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Matthew 22:21. Just wondering why, even in Jesus' time Caesar was quite long dead yet referred to him instead of the acing Emperor Tiberius.
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Oh Gosh! A factoid that decisively proves the Bible isn't inerrant and Jesus was WRONG!
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Old 08-14-2021, 07:47 AM
 
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Oh Gosh! A factoid that decisively proves the Bible isn't inerrant and Jesus was WRONG!
Yeah, because Caesar isn't the same root word from which Kaiser, among other words, maybe even king, to describe such figures, sprang from. Referring to the emperor as Caesar was to refer to the position that Julius Caesar had pretty much defined, but which by his having brought about an end to the old republic had ensured would not come to an end with him. Caesar had made it hereditary, but that doesn't mean that the example doesn't apply to governments today. There is something of a warning against the strictly authoritarian example insisting it knows anything about God. Jesus understood how powerful the role of money was in those people's lives. He warned them about how dangerous that might be for a spiritual person. I don't think that lesson deserves such criticism. In fact, He seems to rather meet some of your criteria.
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Old 08-14-2021, 08:07 AM
 
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33:4.3 (1474.3) To the Roman centurion he said: “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s and unto God the things which are God’s. The sincere service of God and the loyal service of Caesar do not conflict unless Caesar should presume to arrogate to himself that homage which alone can be claimed by Deity. Loyalty to God, if you should come to know him, would render you all the more loyal and faithful in your devotion to a worthy emperor.”

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book...33-return-rome

136:2.8 (1512.4) (Jesus was almost thirty-one and one-half years old when he was baptized. While Luke says that Jesus was baptized in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, which would be A.D. 29 since Augustus died in A.D. 14, it should be recalled that Tiberius was coemperor with Augustus for two and one-half years before the death of Augustus, having had coins struck in his honor in October, A.D. 11. The fifteenth year of his actual rule was, therefore, this very year of A.D. 26, that of Jesus’ baptism. And this was also the year that Pontius Pilate began his rule as governor of Judea.)

https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book...and-forty-days

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