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But how is God intervening "being what he is not"? Or do you mean something else?
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
If He intervened on earth He would be taking back the Dominion that He gave us by His Sovereign Will as well as our free will. He cannot impose evil on us or tempt us to evil because that is NOT who He is.
I think it is related to how He intervenes which is inspirationally, intellectually, emotionally, etc (through the word) we only perceive it using the correct dimension/frequency so to speak
I think it is related to how He intervenes which is inspirationally, intellectually, emotionally, etc (through the word) we only perceive it using the correct dimension/frequency so to speak
Spirit communes with spirit.
I agree with you, Meerkat. I believe His interventions are limited to the spiritual as the Comforter, but there is nothing to prevent His positive interventions, IMO.
Yes, this is how I've always understood it. I don't see the need for taking a stance that "God can't" since free will answers the question.
In his book, he says "God can't" because God does not have a corporeal body so can't step in physically. I find that very hard to swallow since apparently God created the whole universe without a body....?
He seems not to know that in Old Testament times God appeared to certain people in a physical body in what is called a theophany - a preincarnate appearance of Jesus. The second person of the trinity appeared to Abraham for instance along with two angels.
I agree with you, Meerkat. I believe His interventions are limited to the spiritual as the Comforter, but there is nothing to prevent His positive interventions, IMO.
I agree
However the medium of Gods interaction with man at the highest level is to be found in the correctly interpreted Scriptures and is an essential part of Christianity, and that is why the focus keeps being brought back to them, in every “generation” with revivals, revolutions, etc
The positive is always/essentially unlimited (unbound, free)
The negative is naturally limited and generational
I see this in the Scriptures (the limited and unlimited concepts, and also regional, levels, etc)
Exo 20:5**Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6**And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Gal 5:1**Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2**Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3**For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4**Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5**For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:6**For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Gal 5:7**Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
Joh 1:17**For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Joh 1:18**No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
I agree with you, Meerkat. I believe His interventions are limited to the spiritual as the Comforter, but there is nothing to prevent His positive interventions, IMO.
Yes, I find it hard to grasp that God has ANY limitations or "can't" do anything.
This guy's theory seems to be that God's love is "uncontrolled" and so he does not control us or anything. So he is not in control at all. That concept is quite alarming.
I admit, the free will aspect doesn't cover sickness and disease or natural disasters though. Who decided those with their "free will"? I guess that could be the principalities and powers evil free will....?
He seems not to know that in Old Testament times God appeared to certain people in a physical body in what is called a theophany - a preincarnate appearance of Jesus. The second person of the trinity appeared to Abraham for instance along with two angels.
Yes, God could certainly manifest as a body to accomplish whatever he wanted/wants to do. As you remind us he did in the OT.
I've been listening to this guy's talks, and read two of his books, one titled "God Can't"....
The word "can't" is really off-putting when applied to God, and hard to get past, but I'm wondering what others with open minds think about this. The summation is here in this 3-minute video.
It's about why God "can't" intervene in suffering and evil, which is a major roadblock for many (me, as well):
Yes, I find it hard to grasp that God has ANY limitations or "can't" do anything.
This guy's theory seems to be that God's love is "uncontrolled" and so he does not control us or anything. So he is not in control at all. That concept is quite alarming.
I admit, the free will aspect doesn't cover sickness and disease or natural disasters though. Who decided those with their "free will"? I guess that could be the principalities and powers evil free will....?
Much as we have been told it is true, everything is NOT the result of God's Will!. We do not realize the true significance of the fact that we are created in the image and likeness of God. Very little about what comprises us is under the control of our Will, why do we think that everything that comprises God is under the control of His Will???
We only control what is in our consciousness so does God. As God's children, we need to overcome and endure anything with agape love in our consciousness because that is what God does as exemplified by Jesus on the Cross.
demiurge is a gnostic proposition;
And I declare to all here faithfully that gnosticism is heretical by nature.
Who cares???
Heresies are the successful efforts of our ignorant ancestors to ignore any "spiritual solid food" hidden within the writings and deny as a sign of their faith in God any potential revisions of the "carnal milk" Jesus was forced to use.
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