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That's what I do like about this forum. It provides an opportunity for the deeper exploration of Christianity, which is often shut down by the Bible worshipers in other places.
Re the Bible, of course it has relevance when one bears in mind that it is the work of men and their own seeking of God, which laid the foundation for us. However, there is no reason to assign divinity to the words or to limit Christian thought and spirituality to what's contained in those covers.
You made my point. You, Mystic and most of the liberals here reject the CLEAR plan of God from before time began, according to scripture, to offer Jesus as sacrifice for our sins. Hence why every Christian church displays a cross and observes Holy Communion.
Isaiah 53, Acts 2:23, 2 Cor. 5:21, 1 Peter 1:20
That is why Mystic receives strong pushback. His (and yours) beliefs are NOT Christianity as defined, but might generously be described as “following Jesus”, minus salvation.
Jimmie, it seems to me that the liberal is a counterweight/counterbalance to the natural building up of church systems and there is a need for a revolution, revival, and these things are cyclical
What I believe we collectively should do is have an honest look at church history over the past 2000 years which is a continuum that has swung between the left/right, up/down, orthodox/heretic and see the influence of it on societal development
This is the same thing that happened 2000 years ago, 1500 years ago, 500 years ago
Mat 1:21**And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mat 1:22**Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23**Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
You made my point. You, Mystic and most of the liberals here reject the CLEAR plan of God from before time began, according to scripture, to offer Jesus as sacrifice for our sins. Hence why every Christian church displays a cross and observes Holy Communion.
Isaiah 53, Acts 2:23, 2 Cor. 5:21, 1 Peter 1:20
That is why Mystic receives strong pushback. His beliefs (and yours) are NOT Christianity as defined, but might generously be described as “following Jesus”, minus salvation.
It is not minus salvation! We do not disagree about ANY of that, Jimmie. We just disagree about WHY it was necessary, WHO demanded the sacrifice, HOW what He did saved us, and WHY He is the Only Way to God.
It is not minus salvation! We do not disagree about ANY of that, Jimmie. We just disagree about WHY it was necessary, WHO demanded the sacrifice, HOW what He did saved us, and WHY He is the Only Way to God.
It is not minus salvation! We do not disagree about ANY of that, Jimmie. We just disagree about WHY it was necessary, WHO demanded the sacrifice, HOW what He did saved us, and WHY He is the Only Way to God.
jimmie, without using scripture, can you describe why God sent His Son? For our sins but what does that mean? What exactly is a sacrifice?
The wisdom of God devised a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God while not compromising the righteousness of God. -John Piper, author of “Desiring God”
The wisdom of God devised a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God while not compromising the righteousness of God. -John Piper, author of “Desiring God”
In order to save another child from your wrath, you punish your own child; and in doing so, you are exhibiting your love and righteousness?
That would be because I do not see an angry God in Jesus Christ on the Cross, and I did not meet an angry one in meditation, Jimmie. I see the basic tenet of Christianity as Jesus died BECAUSE OF our sins. The result is the same. We are saved by His sacrifice on the Cross because He did what we could never do. His HUMAN consciousness is IDENTICAL to God's Holy Spirit.
That is how He is the only Way to God and how He has permanently connected all HUMAN consciousness with God. Because His human consciousness was "born again" as Spirit (as ours will be), He abides with us within our consciousness in His name as the Comforter to guide us to the Truth God has "written in our hearts" as He promised.
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It is not minus salvation! We do not disagree about ANY of that, Jimmie. We just disagree about WHY it was necessary, WHO demanded the sacrifice, HOW what He did saved us, and WHY He is the Only Way to God.
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The difference is where we get those answers.
We believe in the same Lord and Savior, Jimmie, and from the same source of the answers. I just see a very different Jesus in that source than you do. What is missing from my explanation of how He saved us from our imperfections (sins), how His Grace covers our imperfections, and why He is the ONLY WAY to God, Jimmie?
We believe in the same Lord and Savior, Jimmie, and from the same source of the answers. I just see a very different Jesus in that source than you do. What is missing from my explanation of how He saved us from our imperfections (sins), how His Grace covers our imperfections, and why He is the ONLY WAY to God, Jimmie?
That’s easy-the power in the blood of the Lamb!
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