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Well true believers will never read the anti-god forum but that's ok.
Aside from all the pedo priests the church was also involved in the genocide in Rwanda and I expect someone to find some verse that Black lives don't matter.
Well true believers will never read the anti-god forum but that's ok.
Aside from all the pedo priests the church was also involved in the genocide in Rwanda and I expect someone to find some verse that Black lives don't matter.
There is no politics in the religion forum because politics and religion cant mix, you would just have another political forum, take it to the political forum, we like having a Christianity forum.
I cant even connect the dots for saying what you said, I think your intent is not from the right place.
You do understand why we cant talk politics right?
The Jehovah Witness Organization does not report abuses, if they believe than can avoid it. In simple terms, they cause more harm to the victims with their bogus two-witness rule. And, no, your elders have not the guidance of a holy spirit, when they require the victim to give them a "play by play" of the encounter. They are not victim advocates, and have no specialized training. Remember, according to you, they are merely volunteers - no different than any other person off the street.
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It is well and truly an evil organization, Jer!
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I would say, uneducated and ignorant, professing themselves to be wise - they became foolish in their thinking.
False. Elders or any others for that matter who suspect child abuse would be under the subjection of the secular authorities and report suspected cases independent of the two witness rule. The two witness rule is to establish if gross sin occurred (as best as imperfect men can do) and, if so, what is the relationship between the church and the member. In the Australian case 383 cases of child abuse were reported (facts). 161 resulted in conviction (facts). Two hundred and twenty two cases did not result in a conviction (facts). Facts show that the two witness rule does not affect how the organization interacts with secular authorities.
Elders are volunteers. They aren't paid. We have no paid clergy period. They aren't there to enforce the laws of the land. No JW that I know of thinks of the elders as there to enforce the laws of the land. Each of us prays for the other regardless of what the role is. So, it's irrelevant to mention they don't have "specialized training" or are "victim advocates." That's why we have secular judicial, police, and resources with trained staff. Individuals make a mockery of the serious situation of child abuse and the ecclesiastical process when using "play by play" account. As if it's satisfying to hear. Grotesque dude, simply grotesque. But that's the internet for you.
False. Elders or any others for that matter who suspect child abuse would be under the subjection of the secular authorities and report suspected cases independent of the two witness rule. The two witness rule is to establish if gross sin occurred (as best as imperfect men can do) and, if so, what is the relationship between the church and the member. In the Australian case 383 cases of child abuse were reported (facts). 161 resulted in conviction (facts). Two hundred and twenty two cases did not result in a conviction (facts). Facts show that the two witness rule does not affect how the organization interacts with secular authorities.
Elders are volunteers. They aren't paid. We have no paid clergy period. They aren't there to enforce the laws of the land. No JW that I know of thinks of the elders as there to enforce the laws of the land. Each of us prays for the other regardless of what the role is. So, it's irrelevant to mention they don't have "specialized training" or are "victim advocates." That's why we have secular judicial, police, and resources with trained staff. Individuals make a mockery of the serious situation of child abuse and the ecclesiastical process when using "play by play" account. As if it's satisfying to hear. Grotesque dude, simply grotesque. But that's the internet for you.
We must always remember that God's law supersedes mans, therefore an elder would be out of line to place the superior authorities above a brother with only one witness, unless of course that brother was in fact a witness. A conscientious elder however wold definitely warn the other elders to be observant of the individual.
Sadly one of my Bible studies was a convicted sex offender, and as far as I know he never was, however he was treated as such, which stumbled him out of course. Although a person with a good heart could never be stumbled out from serving Jehovah, a new one must receive extra encouragement. Unfortunately so many fall short in obedience to our reminders on that, partly because of the pandemic, but this happened way before that.
We must always remember that God's law supersedes mans, therefore an elder would be out of line to place the superior authorities above a brother with only one witness, unless of course that brother was in fact a witness. A conscientious elder however wold definitely warn the other elders to be observant of the individual.
Sadly one of my Bible studies was a convicted sex offender, and as far as I know he never was, however he was treated as such, which stumbled him out of course. Although a person with a good heart could never be stumbled out from serving Jehovah, a new one must receive extra encouragement. Unfortunately so many fall short in obedience to our reminders on that, partly because of the pandemic, but this happened way before that.
Are you suggesting that we allow a convicted sex offender access to children unless there are 2 witnesses?
Are you suggesting that we allow a convicted sex offender access to children unless there are 2 witnesses?
yes because most sex offenders like an audience and Scientific evidence such as DNA testing - medical checkups are not found in the Bible. Its just ridiculous to even have blasphemous Scientists and they should be hung on the cross - it should have started with all this evolution stuff back during the Scopes trial.
In fact many of these posts PROVE man did not evolve from the apes or if he did - he didn't progress very far.
False. Elders or any others for that matter who suspect child abuse would be under the subjection of the secular authorities and report suspected cases independent of the two witness rule. The two witness rule is to establish if gross sin occurred (as best as imperfect men can do) and, if so, what is the relationship between the church and the member. In the Australian case 383 cases of child abuse were reported (facts). 161 resulted in conviction (facts). Two hundred and twenty two cases did not result in a conviction (facts). Facts show that the two witness rule does not affect how the organization interacts with secular authorities.
This has already been addressed, repeating incorrect information to support your belief is absurd.
This has already been addressed, repeating incorrect information to support your belief is absurd.
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The JW's seem to believe that repeating lies will eventually make them true, Jer.
Although the position is not clear in relation to a few files, there is otherwise no evidence before the Royal Commission of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation having reported to police or other secular authority a single one of the 1,006 alleged perpetrators of child sexual abuse recorded in the case files held by Watchtower Australia.
No witness appearing on behalf of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation could identify an instance of the organisation reporting an allegation of child sexual abuse to the police or other authorities. Mr Spinks said that ‘we are not going to at any point suggest that we have telephoned the authorities or have instructed elders to do that’.
A letter in evidence before the Royal Commission shows that Watchtower Australia’s own review of the 1,006 case files established that ‘383 alleged perpetrators had been dealt with by either police or secular authorities in the respective States or Territories in which they reside’. That letter did not describe or otherwise suggest that the Jehovah’s Witness organisation had an active role in bringing allegations against the 383 identified perpetrators to the attention of secular authorities.
Furthermore, Mr Toole did not dispute that Watchtower Australia’s review of the case files may have yielded some false positive results. That is, it is possible that some of the 383 identified case files may have contained reference to but not had the involvement of the authorities.
Similarly, the case files record that 161 of the alleged perpetrators recorded in the files had been convicted of a child sexual abuse offence. It is not possible to conclude on the basis of this data that any of those convictions came about because of reports to the authorities by the Jehovah’s Witness organisation. What this data does suggest is that, although the Jehovah’s Witness organisation did not report allegations against those 161 offenders to the authorities, the offenders had nonetheless come to the attention of police.
The JW's seem to believe that repeating lies will eventually make them true, Jer.
54 is telling how it really is. I think HD4 is saying what he thinks it's should be but doesn't realize how it really is.
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The JW's seem to believe that repeating lies will eventually make them true, Jer.
