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We must always remember that God's law supersedes mans, therefore an elder would be out of line to place the superior authorities above a brother with only one witness, unless of course that brother was in fact a witness. A conscientious elder however wold definitely warn the other elders to be observant of the individual.
You have already stated that you would not report the abuse in other threads, believing you are following gods law of two-witnesses. Obviously, your not the sharpest tool in the shed? If that one witness is the child, then he/she is SOL and subjected to more abuse because of your two-witness rule, while you protect a brother by allowing the abuse to continue without reporting it.
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Sadly one of my Bible studies was a convicted sex offender, and as far as I know he never was, however he was treated as such, which stumbled him out of course. Although a person with a good heart could never be stumbled out from serving Jehovah, a new one must receive extra encouragement. Unfortunately so many fall short in obedience to our reminders on that, partly because of the pandemic, but this happened way before that.
So, one of your brothers, a convicted sex offender said he wasn't guilty, did you have proof that he wasn't. Especially, if he had already been convicted? Or, is it merely that which you believed from whatever story he told you? A new sinner to the flock needs encouragement? And now, you are claiming that many fall short due to the pandemic? There doesn't seem to be much accountability within your perceptions? Believe the sex offender, but not the child?
Are you suggesting that we allow a convicted sex offender access to children unless there are 2 witnesses?
I am suggesting God's laws superior to mans. Keep in mind as well, convicted does not mean guilty, as well as if man's law accepted just one witness, there would be many more "convicted" child offenders. The wisdom of God's law is Justice not only for the criminal but for the victim as well. Secular laws for the most part have no victim compensation.
You have already stated that you would not report the abuse in other threads, believing you are following gods law of two-witnesses. Obviously, your not the sharpest tool in the shed? If that one witness is the child, then he/she is SOL and subjected to more abuse because of your two-witness rule, while you protect a brother by allowing the abuse to continue without reporting it.
So, one of your brothers, a convicted sex offender said he wasn't guilty, did you have proof that he wasn't. Especially, if he had already been convicted? Or, is it merely that which you believed from whatever story he told you? A new sinner to the flock needs encouragement? And now, you are claiming that many fall short due to the pandemic? There doesn't seem to be much accountability within your perceptions? Believe the sex offender, but not the child?
I believe he wasn't guilty from association. He was in fact guilty of having child porn on his computer, but what wasn't brought out is he is a hoarder and had many computers which he got from many places. I know one case where a disgruntled wife put child porn on her husband's phone and then reported him to the authorities, he did get off, but was a tremendous hardship to him.
I will not ever support your opinion over God's, in fact I don't even do that with the elders of my faith. It is extremely ridiculous on your part to think that you know better than God. You can do what you want but as for me and my household, we will obey Jehovah. Notice the period at the end of my sentence?
I believe he wasn't guilty from association. He was in fact guilty of having child porn on his computer, but what wasn't brought out is he is a hoarder and had many computers which he got from many places. I know one case where a disgruntled wife put child porn on her husband's phone and then reported him to the authorities, he did get off, but was a tremendous hardship to him.
I will not ever support your opinion over God's, in fact I don't even do that with the elders of my faith. It is extremely ridiculous on your part to think that you know better than God. You can do what you want but as for me and my household, we will obey Jehovah. Notice the period at the end of my sentence?
If you have not personally met God and know His nature, you are not obeying God. You are obeying fallible human interpretations of God, period!
You have already stated that you would not report the abuse in other threads, believing you are following gods law of two-witnesses. Obviously, your not the sharpest tool in the shed? If that one witness is the child, then he/she is SOL and subjected to more abuse because of your two-witness rule, while you protect a brother by allowing the abuse to continue without reporting it.
So, one of your brothers, a convicted sex offender said he wasn't guilty, did you have proof that he wasn't. Especially, if he had already been convicted? Or, is it merely that which you believed from whatever story he told you? A new sinner to the flock needs encouragement? And now, you are claiming that many fall short due to the pandemic? There doesn't seem to be much accountability within your perceptions? Believe the sex offender, but not the child?
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Originally Posted by highway54
I believe he wasn't guilty from association. He was in fact guilty of having child porn on his computer, but what wasn't brought out is he is a hoarder and had many computers which he got from many places. I know one case where a disgruntled wife put child porn on her husband's phone and then reported him to the authorities, he did get off, but was a tremendous hardship to him.
I will not ever support your opinion over God's, in fact I don't even do that with the elders of my faith. It is extremely ridiculous on your part to think that you know better than God. You can do what you want but as for me and my household, we will obey Jehovah. Notice the period at the end of my sentence?
God did not write the Bible, men did. Again, you believe the word of a convicted sex offender who was found guilty, but not the word of a child. Interesting, seeing that you weren't a witness to his actions and merely took his word? Apparently, you have a double-standard and appear to be missing a few cards in that deck.
God did not write the Bible, men did. Again, you believe the word of a convicted sex offender who was found guilty, but not the word of a child. Interesting, seeing that you weren't a witness to his actions and merely took his word? Apparently, you have a double-standard and appear to be missing a few cards in that deck.
God did not write the Bible, men did. Again, you believe the word of a convicted sex offender who was found guilty, but not the word of a child. Interesting, seeing that you weren't a witness to his actions and merely took his word? Apparently, you have a double-standard and appear to be missing a few cards in that deck.
By the way, let's be clear. It's just the JWs and the Catholics who have the problems. It's the Fundies, too. Here are two nuggets, one of which broke today.
To me, it boils down a very simple principle. When you have organizations with centralized power run by people convinced of their own righteousness, you get the recipe for evil. Not only that, but you have people who are willing to warp Christian teachings in order to abet evil. And people are too brainwashed to not recognize it.
Let's be clear. Churches are human institutions, run by fallible people. Individuals will misbehave. It is up to the institutions to put a halt to that misconduct, not sweep it under the rug. Doing anything less is a betrayal of Christ's teachings, no matter how many Bible verses you gin up to justify repulsive behavior.
By the way, let's be clear. It's just the JWs and the Catholics who have the problems. It's the Fundies, too. Here are two nuggets, one of which broke today.
To me, it boils down a very simple principle. When you have organizations with centralized power run by people convinced of their own righteousness, you get the recipe for evil. Not only that, but you have people who are willing to warp Christian teachings in order to abet evil. And people are too brainwashed to not recognize it.
Let's be clear. Churches are human institutions, run by fallible people. Individuals will misbehave. It is up to the institutions to put a halt to that misconduct, not sweep it under the rug. Doing anything less is a betrayal of Christ's teachings, no matter how many Bible verses you gin up to justify repulsive behavior.
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