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Meerkat 2 Have you ever been to prison or been a criminal defendant ? ( Its ok to admit it here) If not you'd be perfectly suited to serve some time. Every criminal at one time or the other says "They do it too!" "I'm not the only one" Guess what it doesn't work! GASP! I prosecuted bunches of them who sounded just like you.
Here you have a church with well over 4000 documented cases- "yes yes but didnt a methodist do this too once"
What are you talking about?
I am an average person who lives an average life and can see that there is a societal problem - I was agreeing with minivans statement about the corruption in church structures that allow for abuse of children, and that goes against the teachings of the person they claim to follow
I’m not really sure what the answer is but I agree that it is the responsibility of any church, any organisation, to endeavour to address it as they are able
Culture is very hard to change and it takes real commitment to achieve it in my opinion
Not sure why you think I am a criminal.... ?? But no I’m not, and never have been
I am an average person who lives an average life and can see that there is a societal problem - I was agreeing with minivans statement about the corruption in church structures that allow for abuse of children, and that goes against the teachings of the person they claim to follow
I’m not really sure what the answer is but I agree that it is the responsibility of any church, any organisation, to endeavour to address it as they are able
Culture is very hard to change and it takes real commitment to achieve it in my opinion
Not sure why you think I am a criminal.... ?? But no I’m not, and never have been
The guy's a prosecutor ...he sees 'criminal' in everyone.
The guy's a prosecutor ...he sees 'criminal' in everyone.
The guy WAS a prosecutor-- As I work part-time now I do Criminal Defense. So much for your dumb stereotypes. What I do know is a lot about the Criminal Justice System. Your background?
I don't think it is a bad idea to allow this topic to spread to how it isn't necessarily the Catholic Church that has a child abuse problem. Humanity has a child abuse problem. As we also have a domestic abuse problem.
Everything, for us each as individuals, is parsed according to how we have a self. We confuse love with possession. Possession makes our selves happy, but it is not the same thing as being loved, or loving. It gives our selves a check box that it can be happy to check off, but it doesn't actually address any of the issues about self development and the role of others in the universe of the self. It doesn't teach us that something non-local can be as important, in terms of what we consider sovereignty to be, as the central self can be.
I believe all of these problems are related to love. There is a lack of it.
I was trying to get at how people become these sorts of abusers. The most obvious answer is that they were raised into it. We don't know, however, what part of our societal construct it was that did that. Whenever we try to address that subject somebody always pipes up with how so many of the things being criticized about what we put children through are good for them. And the concern that we might be harming them is misplaced.
That's just about exactly what you would expect an abuser, an addict in fact, to say when they realize their supply is about to get cut. It's also what you would expect to hear from people with a legitimate concern about children. We may be messing them up, but we don't want to take away the defense mechanisms that have kept us from falling all the way either. We need to think before we do.
I was wondering if, when we do find out how to help these people, we will be able to help those who are already so far gone that they have sexual attraction for children, as opposed to only being able to stop the progression? Same goes for rapists, and those who use violence against those closest to them in order to maintain their own thing. I hope we can find solutions that reach that far. There hasn't been much success with this so far, but maybe as we understand the science, and our minds, better we will be able?
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Reason: the writing process
By the way, let's be clear. It's just the JWs and the Catholics who have the problems. It's the Fundies, too. Here are two nuggets, one of which broke today.
To me, it boils down a very simple principle. When you have organizations with centralized power run by people convinced of their own righteousness, you get the recipe for evil. Not only that, but you have people who are willing to warp Christian teachings in order to abet evil. And people are too brainwashed to not recognize it.
Let's be clear. Churches are human institutions, run by fallible people. Individuals will misbehave. It is up to the institutions to put a halt to that misconduct, not sweep it under the rug. Doing anything less is a betrayal of Christ's teachings, no matter how many Bible verses you gin up to justify repulsive behavior.
Lets be double clear, neither Jehovah's witnesses, nor the Catholics consider that acceptable behavior for their adherents. Jehovah's witnesses disfellowship individuals who practice that sin.
Lets be double clear, neither Jehovah's witnesses, nor the Catholics consider that acceptable behavior for their adherents. Jehovah's witnesses disfellowship individuals who practice that sin.
Hiding behind your two witness rule, your organization has allowed over 1000 perpetrators to evade justice. That's well documented and indefensible.
Lets be double clear, neither Jehovah's witnesses, nor the Catholics consider that acceptable behavior for their adherents. Jehovah's witnesses disfellowship individuals who practice that sin.
If an organization doesn't notify the authorities when such behavior comes to its attention, then it consents to it. Any thing else is self-justifying palaver.
The guy's a prosecutor ...he sees 'criminal' in everyone.
They see criminals everywhere unless you report a crime, if you report a crime they automatically think you are lying, I mean what kind of person?
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.... I’ll ignore the dig then
