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So, we see specifically that God's Love causes Him to choose a people. That would lead us to understand, that the world of Jn 3:16 consist of those so loved and Chosen of God
Gods Love = Chosen ones to be recipients and benefactors of it.
Those God Loved, also is specifically designated His Church Eph 5:25
25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Now, is the church everyone in the world without exception ? It would be foolish to say yes to that question..
The word church is the greek word
ek klēsia:
It simply means to call out, the called out ones..
1 Pet 2:9
9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
The church has been called out of darkness, and secondly, into His Marvelous light
Its not a half done process. Its a calling out of and into.
These are the objects of God's Love in the world, the called out ones, the Church of Jesus Christ.
Paul calls them the called as in Rom 1:6
Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
Rom 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Rom 9:24
Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Now nowhere in scripture can these things apply to all mankind without exception.
The world that God Loved is a called world. Remember one of the definitions for the word world kosmos is:
any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
So the called of Jesus Christ as in Rom 1:6
Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:9
So the collection of the called of Jesus Christ is the world God so Loved !
This just simply cannot be denied !
Like I stated earlier, I wouldn't judge Him just as of yet, experiences in satans world should not be used to judge Jehovah. If during the millennial reign of Christ you determine satan was a better god, then side with him at that point, but at least give Jehovah the chance to prove His side of the issue.
If God Loved all men without exception, whats the Point of Jesus telling His disciples this ? Jn 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
If God already Loved everyone in the world without exception, then this statement by Christ was a waste of time, and not really meaningful, since all who are in the world breaking God's commandments are Loved too.
If God Loved all men without exception, whats the Point of Jesus telling His disciples this ? Jn 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
If God already Loved everyone in the world without exception, then this statement by Christ was a waste of time, and not really meaningful, since all who are in the world breaking God's commandments are Loved too.
Very true! But remember the time period that is written for, and why they are not loved by God. He is referring to those who absolutely refuse to love Him. He has no choice but to allow them to reap what they personally have sown.
If God Loved all men without exception, whats the Point of Jesus telling His disciples this ? Jn 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
If God already Loved everyone in the world without exception, then this statement by Christ was a waste of time, and not really meaningful, since all who are in the world breaking God's commandments are Loved too.
This is paralleled in 1 John 4:7. The problem is not with love not being in God. It is with love not being in us! If we keep Christ's two commandments we will love God and each other. If we do not have love, God does not manifest to us. It is the love states of mind that give us access to God.
1 John 4:7 (King James Version)
7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God, and every one that loveth is born of God and knoweth God.
If God Loved all men without exception, Christ words in Jn 14:21,23 are meaningless which are:
Jn 14:21,23
21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Again, if God loved all men without exception, that means that even though men do not Love and obey Christ can be assured of the Fathers Love, as indicated in Jn 3:16​
This is paralleled in 1 John 4:7. The problem is not with love not being in God. It is with love not being in us! If we keep Christ's two commandments we will love God and each other. If we do not have love, God does not manifest to us. It is the love states of mind that give us access to God.
1 John 4:7 (King James Version)
7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God, and every one that loveth is born of God and knoweth God.
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Originally Posted by Brightfame52
If God Loved all men without exception, Christ words in Jn 14:21,23 are meaningless which are:
Jn 14:21,23
21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Again, if God loved all men without exception, that means that even though men do not Love and obey Christ can be assured of the Fathers Love, as indicated in Jn 3:16​
Why did you ignore my answer to your question of how Jn 14:21,23 could be true using 1 John 4:7???? God's love is never in question. Ours IS!
This scripture and others like it prove that God does not Love all without exception Heb 12:6-8
6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Rev 3:19
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Notice, Christ says as many as I love..meaning He does not Love all without exception or this statement would be meaningless..
Those God Loves He chastens. Now does He chastens the whole world without exception ? No He does not.
There is a distinction between those God loves and chasten and the rest of the world He shall condemn 1 Cor 11:32
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Now that portion of mankind that shall be condemned at the Judgment, were not Chastened by the Lord, and scripture says, as many as the Lord Loves they are chasten, and they will not be condemned with the world..
So this is more scripture testimony that God does not Love all men without exception.
This scripture and others like it prove that God does not Love all without exception Heb 12:6-8
6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Rev 3:19
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Notice, Christ says as many as I love..meaning He does not Love all without exception or this statement would be meaningless..
Those God Loves He chastens. Now does He chastens the whole world without exception ? No He does not.
There is a distinction between those God loves and chasten and the rest of the world He shall condemn 1 Cor 11:32
32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
Now that portion of mankind that shall be condemned at the Judgment, were not Chastened by the Lord, and scripture says, as many as the Lord Loves they are chasten, and they will not be condemned with the world..
So this is more scripture testimony that God does not Love all men without exception.
Do you believe that he loves you? If so, why not everyone else?
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