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The restriction (or distinction, if you will) is not between souls (plural) but within the soul (singular).
Think back to your grade school days in science class when you were first learning about compounds. The soul is a compound that consists of two distinct elements. Those two elements that make up the soul are flesh (and it's fleshly nature taken from the earth) and the spirit and it's nature (derived from the breath of God), as recorded in Gen 2:7.
That is where you need to start and where the distinction lies. It's between flesh and spirit within the soul. Between the kingdoms and natures of the soul that the soul has jurisdiction over. This is illustrated throughout scripture with countless examples, such as: Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Sarah and Hagar, Mt. Sinai and Jerusalem, Sheep and Goat, Heaven and Gehenna, Elect and reprobate, etc., and illustrated time and time again in Jesus' parables.
With regards to the atonement: Jesus justified the soul, reconciled the soul to God and redeemed the soul according to the spirit, not the flesh. The flesh profits nothing (Joh 6:63). Those are the distinctions, or restrictions of what is often called limited atonement or particular redemption in reformed theology, that reformed theology, unfortunately, knows little to nothing of. Such limitations, restrictions or distinctions are not between compounds (plural), but rather the elements (plural) that make up the compound (singular).
The reason the soul requires redemption is due to the sins of the flesh of which the soul was given jurisdiction over. The buck stops with the soul, so to speak, and the soul suffers the consequences when the flesh works it's iniquity. The works of the flesh are imputed and counted against the soul as if the soul itself did the sin. And when the flesh sinned, the soul died, due to the soul having jurisdiction thereof (Eze 18:4).
Souls in Christ that are reborn of God (that is: Christ in them), are being led and controlled by the Spirit of Christ, and have had their flesh crucified, though not removed, and walk according to the Spirit, but still sin according to the flesh.
Souls in Christ that are not born of God (that is: Christ not in them), do not have the Spirit of Christ and walk not according to the Spirit, but rather walk according to the flesh. These souls in Christ that Christ is not in have none-the-less been justified (Rom 3:24, 5:18), forgiven (Joh 1:29, 1Jo 2:2, 4:14) and reconciled (2Co 5:19, Col 1:20) objectively so, but not subjectively so, as yet. Subjectively, sanctification will take place in this age through the faith (the Gospel) should they be brought to faith, or they will be sanctified in the coming age through the fires of judgment and purging of the flesh until their image of God is restored. In the end: God will be the all in all, with all things restored to their rightful place (Act 3:21).
The restriction (or distinction, if you will) is not between souls (plural) but within the soul (singular).
Think back to your grade school days in science class when you were first learning about compounds. The soul is a compound that consists of two distinct elements. Those two elements that make up the soul are flesh (and it's fleshly nature taken from the earth) and the spirit and it's nature (derived from the breath of God), as recorded in Gen 2:7.
That is where you need to start and where the distinction lies. It's between flesh and spirit within the soul. Between the kingdoms and natures of the soul that the soul has jurisdiction over. This is illustrated throughout scripture with countless examples, such as: Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Sarah and Hagar, Mt. Sinai and Jerusalem, Sheep and Goat, Heaven and Gehenna, Elect and reprobate, etc., and illustrated time and time again in Jesus' parables.
With regards to the atonement: Jesus justified the soul, reconciled the soul to God and redeemed the soul according to the spirit, not the flesh. The flesh profits nothing (Joh 6:63). Those are the distinctions, or restrictions of what is often called limited atonement or particular redemption in reformed theology, that reformed theology, unfortunately, knows little to nothing of. Such limitations, restrictions or distinctions are not between compounds (plural), but rather the elements (plural) that make up the compound (singular).
The reason the soul requires redemption is due to the sins of the flesh of which the soul was given jurisdiction over. The buck stops with the soul, so to speak, and the soul suffers the consequences when the flesh works it's iniquity. The works of the flesh are imputed and counted against the soul as if the soul itself did the sin. And when the flesh sinned, the soul died, due to the soul having jurisdiction thereof (Eze 18:4).
Souls in Christ that are reborn of God (that is: Christ in them), are being led and controlled by the Spirit of Christ, and have had their flesh crucified, though not removed, and walk according to the Spirit, but still sin according to the flesh.
Souls in Christ that are not born of God (that is: Christ not in them), do not have the Spirit of Christ and walk not according to the Spirit, but rather walk according to the flesh. These souls in Christ that Christ is not in have none-the-less been justified (Rom 3:24, 5:18), forgiven (Joh 1:29, 1Jo 2:2, 4:14) and reconciled (2Co 5:19, Col 1:20) objectively so, but not subjectively so, as yet. Subjectively, sanctification will take place in this age through the faith (the Gospel) should they be brought to faith, or they will be sanctified in the coming age through the fires of judgment and purging of the flesh until their image of God is restored. In the end: God will be the all in all, with all things restored to their rightful place (Act 3:21).
The restriction (or distinction, if you will) is not between souls (plural) but within the soul (singular).
Think back to your grade school days in science class when you were first learning about compounds. The soul is a compound that consists of two distinct elements. Those two elements that make up the soul are flesh (and it's fleshly nature taken from the earth) and the spirit and it's nature (derived from the breath of God), as recorded in Gen 2:7.
That is where you need to start and where the distinction lies. It's between flesh and spirit within the soul. Between the kingdoms and natures of the soul that the soul has jurisdiction over. This is illustrated throughout scripture with countless examples, such as: Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Sarah and Hagar, Mt. Sinai and Jerusalem, Sheep and Goat, Heaven and Gehenna, Elect and reprobate, etc., and illustrated time and time again in Jesus' parables.
With regards to the atonement: Jesus justified the soul, reconciled the soul to God and redeemed the soul according to the spirit, not the flesh. The flesh profits nothing (Joh 6:63). Those are the distinctions, or restrictions of what is often called limited atonement or particular redemption in reformed theology, that reformed theology, unfortunately, knows little to nothing of. Such limitations, restrictions or distinctions are not between compounds (plural), but rather the elements (plural) that make up the compound (singular).
The reason the soul requires redemption is due to the sins of the flesh of which the soul was given jurisdiction over. The buck stops with the soul, so to speak, and the soul suffers the consequences when the flesh works it's iniquity. The works of the flesh are imputed and counted against the soul as if the soul itself did the sin. And when the flesh sinned, the soul died, due to the soul having jurisdiction thereof (Eze 18:4).
Souls in Christ that are reborn of God (that is: Christ in them), are being led and controlled by the Spirit of Christ, and have had their flesh crucified, though not removed, and walk according to the Spirit, but still sin according to the flesh.
Souls in Christ that are not born of God (that is: Christ not in them), do not have the Spirit of Christ and walk not according to the Spirit, but rather walk according to the flesh. These souls in Christ that Christ is not in have none-the-less been justified (Rom 3:24, 5:18), forgiven (Joh 1:29, 1Jo 2:2, 4:14) and reconciled (2Co 5:19, Col 1:20) objectively so, but not subjectively so, as yet. Subjectively, sanctification will take place in this age through the faith (the Gospel) should they be brought to faith, or they will be sanctified in the coming age through the fires of judgment and purging of the flesh until their image of God is restored. In the end: God will be the all in all, with all things restored to their rightful place (Act 3:21).
The restriction (or distinction, if you will) is not between souls (plural) but within the soul (singular).
Think back to your grade school days in science class when you were first learning about compounds. The soul is a compound that consists of two distinct elements. Those two elements that make up the soul are flesh (and it's fleshly nature taken from the earth) and the spirit and it's nature (derived from the breath of God), as recorded in Gen 2:7.
That is where you need to start and where the distinction lies. It's between flesh and spirit within the soul. Between the kingdoms and natures of the soul that the soul has jurisdiction over. This is illustrated throughout scripture with countless examples, such as: Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Sarah and Hagar, Mt. Sinai and Jerusalem, Sheep and Goat, Heaven and Gehenna, Elect and reprobate, etc., and illustrated time and time again in Jesus' parables.
With regards to the atonement: Jesus justified the soul, reconciled the soul to God and redeemed the soul according to the spirit, not the flesh. The flesh profits nothing (Joh 6:63). Those are the distinctions, or restrictions of what is often called limited atonement or particular redemption in reformed theology, that reformed theology, unfortunately, knows little to nothing of. Such limitations, restrictions or distinctions are not between compounds (plural), but rather the elements (plural) that make up the compound (singular).
The reason the soul requires redemption is due to the sins of the flesh of which the soul was given jurisdiction over. The buck stops with the soul, so to speak, and the soul suffers the consequences when the flesh works it's iniquity. The works of the flesh are imputed and counted against the soul as if the soul itself did the sin. And when the flesh sinned, the soul died, due to the soul having jurisdiction thereof (Eze 18:4).
Souls in Christ that are reborn of God (that is: Christ in them), are being led and controlled by the Spirit of Christ, and have had their flesh crucified, though not removed, and walk according to the Spirit, but still sin according to the flesh.
Souls in Christ that are not born of God (that is: Christ not in them), do not have the Spirit of Christ and walk not according to the Spirit, but rather walk according to the flesh. These souls in Christ that Christ is not in have none-the-less been justified (Rom 3:24, 5:18), forgiven (Joh 1:29, 1Jo 2:2, 4:14) and reconciled (2Co 5:19, Col 1:20) objectively so, but not subjectively so, as yet. Subjectively, sanctification will take place in this age through the faith (the Gospel) should they be brought to faith, or they will be sanctified in the coming age through the fires of judgment and purging of the flesh until their image of God is restored. In the end: God will be the all in all, with all things restored to their rightful place (Act 3:21).
Do you see any of this?
Very nice explanation JJ
I have seen that separation of the soul that is taking place, and will take place referenced in Scripture
I believe that the distinction between types of heaven and earth are important too
Joh 3:10**Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
Joh 3:11**Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
Joh 3:12**If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
Joh 3:13**And no man hath ascended up toheaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
G1919***(Strong)
ἐπιÌγειος
epigeios
ep-ig'-i-os
From G1909 and G1093; worldly (physically or morally): - earthly, in earth, terrestrial.
G2032***(Strong)
ἐπουÏαÌνιος
epouranios
ep-oo-ran'-ee-os
From G1909 and G3772; above the sky: - celestial, (in) heaven (-ly), high.
G3772***(Strong)
οὐÏανοÌÏ‚
ouranos
oo-ran-os'
Perhaps from the same as G3735 (through the idea of elevation); the sky; by extension heaven (as the abode of God); by implication happiness, power, eternity; specifically the Gospel (Christianity): - air, heaven ([-ly]), sky.
To me there is layerings inbuilt/embedded in Scripture, and English tends to not distinguish between the differences just merges things together
The restriction (or distinction, if you will) is not between souls (plural) but within the soul (singular).
Think back to your grade school days in science class when you were first learning about compounds. The soul is a compound that consists of two distinct elements. Those two elements that make up the soul are flesh (and it's fleshly nature taken from the earth) and the spirit and it's nature (derived from the breath of God), as recorded in Gen 2:7.
That is where you need to start and where the distinction lies. It's between flesh and spirit within the soul. Between the kingdoms and natures of the soul that the soul has jurisdiction over. This is illustrated throughout scripture with countless examples, such as: Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Sarah and Hagar, Mt. Sinai and Jerusalem, Sheep and Goat, Heaven and Gehenna, Elect and reprobate, etc., and illustrated time and time again in Jesus' parables.
With regards to the atonement: Jesus justified the soul, reconciled the soul to God and redeemed the soul according to the spirit, not the flesh. The flesh profits nothing (Joh 6:63). Those are the distinctions, or restrictions of what is often called limited atonement or particular redemption in reformed theology, that reformed theology, unfortunately, knows little to nothing of. Such limitations, restrictions or distinctions are not between compounds (plural), but rather the elements (plural) that make up the compound (singular).
The reason the soul requires redemption is due to the sins of the flesh of which the soul was given jurisdiction over. The buck stops with the soul, so to speak, and the soul suffers the consequences when the flesh works it's iniquity. The works of the flesh are imputed and counted against the soul as if the soul itself did the sin. And when the flesh sinned, the soul died, due to the soul having jurisdiction thereof (Eze 18:4).
Souls in Christ that are reborn of God (that is: Christ in them), are being led and controlled by the Spirit of Christ, and have had their flesh crucified, though not removed, and walk according to the Spirit, but still sin according to the flesh.
Souls in Christ that are not born of God (that is: Christ not in them), do not have the Spirit of Christ and walk not according to the Spirit, but rather walk according to the flesh. These souls in Christ that Christ is not in have none-the-less been justified (Rom 3:24, 5:18), forgiven (Joh 1:29, 1Jo 2:2, 4:14) and reconciled (2Co 5:19, Col 1:20) objectively so, but not subjectively so, as yet. Subjectively, sanctification will take place in this age through the faith (the Gospel) should they be brought to faith, or they will be sanctified in the coming age through the fires of judgment and purging of the flesh until their image of God is restored. In the end: God will be the all in all, with all things restored to their rightful place (Act 3:21).
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Originally Posted by Meerkat2
Very nice explanation JJ
I have seen that separation of the soul that is taking place, and will take place referenced in Scripture
I believe that the distinction between types of heaven and earth are important too
Joh 3:10**Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
Joh 3:11**Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
Joh 3:12**If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
Joh 3:13**And no man hath ascended up toheaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
G1919***(Strong)
ἐπιÌγειος
epigeios
ep-ig'-i-os
From G1909 and G1093; worldly (physically or morally): - earthly, in earth, terrestrial.
G2032***(Strong)
ἐπουÏαÌνιος
epouranios
ep-oo-ran'-ee-os
From G1909 and G3772; above the sky: - celestial, (in) heaven (-ly), high.
G3772***(Strong)
οὐÏανοÌÏ‚
ouranos
oo-ran-os'
Perhaps from the same as G3735 (through the idea of elevation); the sky; by extension heaven (as the abode of God); by implication happiness, power, eternity; specifically the Gospel (Christianity): - air, heaven ([-ly]), sky.
To me there is layerings inbuilt/embedded in Scripture, and English tends to not distinguish between the differences just merges things together
I like and share your thoughts on the spiritual "layering" that takes place in scripture that often gets over looked. That's an excellent way to describe it. Yin and yang so to speak.
I like and share your thoughts on the spiritual "layering" that takes place in scripture that often gets over looked. That's an excellent way to describe it. Yin and yang so to speak.
And it’s not just about the 2 - the yin/yang
There is one
There is 2
Then there is 3
And the dynamics are totally different depending on the circumstance and what is being worked on or accomplished
Mat 18:18**Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Mat 18:19**Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 18:20**For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
Mat 10:34**Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mat 10:35**For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Mat 10:36**And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Joh 17:20**Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Joh 17:21**That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
1Jn 3:11**For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
1Jn 3:12**Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
The restriction (or distinction, if you will) is not between souls (plural) but within the soul (singular).
Think back to your grade school days in science class when you were first learning about compounds. The soul is a compound that consists of two distinct elements. Those two elements that make up the soul are flesh (and it's fleshly nature taken from the earth) and the spirit and it's nature (derived from the breath of God), as recorded in Gen 2:7.
That is where you need to start and where the distinction lies. It's between flesh and spirit within the soul. Between the kingdoms and natures of the soul that the soul has jurisdiction over. This is illustrated throughout scripture with countless examples, such as: Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Sarah and Hagar, Mt. Sinai and Jerusalem, Sheep and Goat, Heaven and Gehenna, Elect and reprobate, etc., and illustrated time and time again in Jesus' parables.
With regards to the atonement: Jesus justified the soul, reconciled the soul to God and redeemed the soul according to the spirit, not the flesh. The flesh profits nothing (Joh 6:63). Those are the distinctions, or restrictions of what is often called limited atonement or particular redemption in reformed theology, that reformed theology, unfortunately, knows little to nothing of. Such limitations, restrictions or distinctions are not between compounds (plural), but rather the elements (plural) that make up the compound (singular).
The reason the soul requires redemption is due to the sins of the flesh of which the soul was given jurisdiction over. The buck stops with the soul, so to speak, and the soul suffers the consequences when the flesh works it's iniquity. The works of the flesh are imputed and counted against the soul as if the soul itself did the sin. And when the flesh sinned, the soul died, due to the soul having jurisdiction thereof (Eze 18:4).
Souls in Christ that are reborn of God (that is: Christ in them), are being led and controlled by the Spirit of Christ, and have had their flesh crucified, though not removed, and walk according to the Spirit, but still sin according to the flesh.
Souls in Christ that are not born of God (that is: Christ not in them), do not have the Spirit of Christ and walk not according to the Spirit, but rather walk according to the flesh. These souls in Christ that Christ is not in have none-the-less been justified (Rom 3:24, 5:18), forgiven (Joh 1:29, 1Jo 2:2, 4:14) and reconciled (2Co 5:19, Col 1:20) objectively so, but not subjectively so, as yet. Subjectively, sanctification will take place in this age through the faith (the Gospel) should they be brought to faith, or they will be sanctified in the coming age through the fires of judgment and purging of the flesh until their image of God is restored. In the end: God will be the all in all, with all things restored to their rightful place (Act 3:21).
Do you see any of this?
You haven't said anything, Gods love is limited to His Elect.
You haven't said anything, Gods love is limited to His Elect.
God is not limited in ANY way. Ignorant people believe it who desire to consider themselves special snowflakes in God's eyes so they can look down on others. It is not a very commendable state of mind and certainly NOT remotely like Jesus Christ.
You haven't said anything, Gods love is limited to His Elect.
You poor dear boy: do you know how many times "limited" is used in Scripture?
Exactly once!
You have limited the Holy One...
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