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Now if God Loved all without exception, then in Love, He predestnated all without exception. If He predestinated all without exception, then He must have foreknew all without exception according to Rom 8:29
29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
God is not limited in ANY way. Ignorant people believe it who desire to consider themselves special snowflakes in God's eyes so they can look down on others. It is not a very commendable state of mind and certainly NOT remotely like Jesus Christ.
His Love is limited by Himself, some people He hates Mal 1:1-3
The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.
2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Now if God Loved all without exception, then in Love, He predestnated all without exception. If He predestinated all without exception, then He must have foreknew all without exception according to Rom 8:29
29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
We are not predestinated to sin, that choice; however we are predestined to holiness through that of his love, mercy, and forgiveness. In addition to the refining process of the soul and spirit, which come together in the end as one. Therefore, what God joins together, no man can separate.
We are not predestinated to sin, that choice; however we are predestined to holiness through that of his love, mercy, and forgiveness. In addition to the refining process of the soul and spirit, which come together in the end as one. Therefore, what God joins together, no man can separate.
His Love is limited by Himself, some people He hates Mal 1:1-3
The burden of the word of the Lord to Israel by Malachi.
2 I have loved you, saith the Lord. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the Lord: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
You're using the Hebrew word "שָׂנֵא" according to the flesh, rather than the spirit, and applying that fleshly understanding to God. It's very pernicious of you to limit God's love in that way.
Here is that same Hebrew verb being used with reference to Leah, Jacobs wife, as opposed to Rachel, also Jacob's wife.
Gen 29:30 And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years.
Gen 29:31 And when the LORD saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb: but Rachel was barren.
Leah is being viewed by the LORD (not by Jacob, but rather by the LORD) as being hated by Jacob, and yet Jacob was enjoying sex with Leah night after night as she gave birth to Reuben, Simeon, Levi and Judah, without mentioning daughters in-between. That's a very strange kind of "hate", don't you think .
The use of the term "hate", as used and applied by the LORD, simply means "to love less". It's clear that Jacob did in-fact love Leah, at least in bed, yet Leah was viewed by the LORD as being "hated" with respect to Rachel, in the same way Esau was hated with respect to Jacob.
If we use that same Hebrew word according to the flesh, of which you're doing, the Hebrew verb carries a different meaning. When Paul quotes the Hebrew text of Mal 1:3 (in Rom 9:13) the Greek word "μισέω" is being employed. John in his first epistle tells us what the implications of that word are when used and understood in the sense you've given it:
1Jn_3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Which leads me to ask you: Do you believe Jesus had eternal life in Himself? (1Jo 5:11 should help you).
You're using the Hebrew word "שָׂנֵא" according to the flesh, rather than the spirit, and applying that fleshly understanding to God. It's very pernicious of you to limit God's love in that way.
Here is that same Hebrew verb being used with reference to Leah, Jacobs wife, as opposed to Rachel, also Jacob's wife.
Gen 29:30 And he went in also unto Rachel, and he loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served with him yet seven other years.
Gen 29:31 And when the LORD saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb: but Rachel was barren.
Leah is being viewed by the LORD (not by Jacob, but rather by the LORD) as being hated by Jacob, and yet Jacob was enjoying sex with Leah night after night as she gave birth to Reuben, Simeon, Levi and Judah, without mentioning daughters in-between. That's a very strange kind of "hate", don't you think .
The use of the term "hate", as used and applied by the LORD, simply means "to love less". It's clear that Jacob did in-fact love Leah, at least in bed, yet Leah was viewed by the LORD as being "hated" with respect to Rachel, in the same way Esau was hated with respect to Jacob.
If we use that same Hebrew word according to the flesh, of which you're doing, the Hebrew verb carries a different meaning. When Paul quotes the Hebrew text of Mal 1:3 (in Rom 9:13) the Greek word "μισέω" is being employed. John in his first epistle tells us what the implications of that word are when used and understood in the sense you've given it:
1Jn_3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Which leads me to ask you: Do you believe Jesus had eternal life in Himself? (1Jo 5:11 should help you).
The real problem is what they bring to society IRL, JJ! The bigotry they foster is inexcusable!
It’s more than just bigotry . It paints an unappealing picture of God . The two main reasons I walked away was the concept of an angry jealous emotional God willing to punish people eternally, and the rejection of evolution by the sect I belonged to . More things came along later , but these two were the main original cracks in the facade .
Now if God Loved all without exception, then in Love, He predestnated all without exception. If He predestinated all without exception, then He must have foreknew all without exception according to Rom 8:29
And, He did and He does. He knows all by His very own breath:
Gen 2:7 And Jehovah God formeth the man—dust from the ground, and breatheth into his nostrils breath of life, and the man becometh a living creature.
Act 17:24 'God, who did make the world, and all things in it, this One, of heaven and of earth being Lord, in temples made with hands doth not dwell,
Act 17:25 neither by the hands of men is He served—needing anything, He giving to all life, and breath, and all things;
Act 17:26 He made also of one blood every nation of men, to dwell upon all the face of the earth—having ordained times before appointed, and the bounds of their dwellings—
Act 17:27 to seek the Lord, if perhaps they did feel after Him and find, —though, indeed, He is not far from each one of us,
Act 17:28 for in Him we live, and move, and are; as also certain of your poets have said: For of Him also we are offspring.
Eze 18:4 Lo, all the souls are Mine, As the soul of the father, So also the soul of the son—they are Mine, The soul that is sinning—it doth die.
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29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
And, He did that also:
Col 1:15 who is the image of the invisible God, first-born of all creation,
Col 1:16 because in him were the all things created, those in the heavens, and those upon the earth, those visible, and those invisible, whether thrones, whether lordships, whether principalities, whether authorities; all things through him, and for him, have been created,
Col 1:17 and himself is before all, and the all things in him have consisted.
Col 1:18 And himself is the head of the body—the assembly—who is a beginning, a first-born out of the dead, that he might become in all things —himself—first,
Col 1:19 because in him it did please all the fulness to tabernacle,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile the all things to himself—having made peace through the blood of his cross—through him, whether the things upon the earth, whether the things in the heavens.
Objectively speaking, it's a done deal. It's just waiting to be testified subjectively in it's own times:
1Ti_2:6 who did give himself a ransom for all—the testimony in its own times—
Notice the term "times", translated from the Greek "καιροις", not singular as the KJV translators made it, but rather plural in the Greek text, denoting "times", that is: the ages to come, in it's own times, corresponding to the appointed times for each one of us that live and move in Him (Act 17:26, 28). It need not be in this age or time (singular), but rather any of the appointed times and ages, even those that are yet to come, plural.
Now, notice the term "own", translated from the Greek "ιδιοις". It means "own", not "due" as stated in the KJV, but rather "own" as in privately possessing in a particular and individual manner, one's very own time. It's own times, it's own appointed times within the bounds of their dwellings. It's not speaking here only of our own physical dwelling, according to the flesh, but rather dwellings (plural), including those dwellings that are spiritual, according to the spirit.
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