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Old 11-23-2021, 06:20 AM
 
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Too bad you dont understand that satan and his seed were not loved and chosen in Christ.
"Satan and his seed", to use your words, is not referring to someone with horns on his head, pitchfork in hand with little evil ones in tow. It refers to the flesh, our flesh that works sin. That is what was rejected ("were not loved and chosen" to use your words) by God.

And, concerning election: Christ was the elected one and also the rejected one, as stated here:

Rom 8:3 for what the law was not able to do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, His own Son having sent in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, did condemn the sin in the flesh,

2Co 5:21 for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin, that we may become the righteousness of God in him.

Gal 3:13 Christ did redeem us from the curse of the law, having become for us a curse, for it hath been written, 'Cursed is every one who is hanging on a tree,'

And, in His rejection, we become the righteousness of God in Him:

2Co 5:21 for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin, that we may become the righteousness of God in him.
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Old 11-23-2021, 09:14 AM
 
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What manner of Love is this ?

1 Jn 3:1

1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons [children] of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

We know or should know that God does not Love all men without exception because all men without exception are not the children of God ! Those whom God Loved in Jn 3:16 are the same ones in 1 Jn 3:1. Now God bestowing His Love on the we in 1 Jn 3:1 constitutes them children of God, cannot be based upon believing, when Jn 3:16 is not based upon believing nor is Rom 5:8

8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners [unbelievers], Christ died for us.

God does not love one one way when we are unregenerate, then after conversion love us another way. The same ones God Loved and bestowed His Love on in 1 Jn 3:1 are the same as in Rom 5:8, and they have always [before conversion] been Children of God. This is intimated in Jn 11:52

52And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Now, the Children of God are also the Children of Promise Rom 9:8

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Now Isaac was of the Children of Promise Gal 4:28

28Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Now did Isaac have to be a believer to be a Child of Promise ? The answer is no. He was a Child of promise before his natural birth.

And its the same with all Children of promise, who are also Children of God !

Now to say that all men without exception are Children of God, would be to lie against the Truth which clearly designates some men children of the devil 1 Jn 3:10

10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

So scripture is quite conclusive that God Loved His Children, and all men without exception are not God's Children, Children of Promise , so God could not have Loved all men without exception !
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Old 11-23-2021, 09:35 AM
 
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"Satan and his seed", to use your words, is not referring to someone with horns on his head, pitchfork in hand with little evil ones in tow. It refers to the flesh, our flesh that works sin. That is what was rejected ("were not loved and chosen" to use your words) by God.

And, concerning election: Christ was the elected one and also the rejected one, as stated here:

Rom 8:3 for what the law was not able to do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, His own Son having sent in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, did condemn the sin in the flesh,

2Co 5:21 for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin, that we may become the righteousness of God in him.

Gal 3:13 Christ did redeem us from the curse of the law, having become for us a curse, for it hath been written, 'Cursed is every one who is hanging on a tree,'

And, in His rejection, we become the righteousness of God in Him:

2Co 5:21 for him who did not know sin, in our behalf He did make sin, that we may become the righteousness of God in him.
The children of the devil, satans seed are men and women like you and i. Paul was given insight to one one time here Acts 13:8-10

8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.

9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him.

10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

Paul calls him, while full of the Spirit, a child of the devil. Devil here is genitive case denoting source, origin, ownership. The person was of the serpents seed, he belonged to the devil and not one of Gods dear children that had a right to Christs redemption.
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Old 11-23-2021, 09:41 AM
 
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The best you can do is seek Jesus for th in filling of the Holy Spirit,
And desperately seek His instruction in your life, rather than that of men.
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Old 11-23-2021, 09:52 AM
 
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How exactly do you know who is and who is not Satan's seed?? What are the indicators??
Its hard to tell since both are by nature the same, by nature the children of God are also children of wrath as others Eph 2:3

Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.


Notice that word others because its important, its talking about other people, another group of people. Its the greek word adjective loipos and means:

with a certain distinction and contrast, the rest, who are not of a specific class or number

Just like the wheat and tares, theyre different classes of people however they may look alike, thats why Jesus said Matt 13:24-30

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24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
But I do know this, the children of the devil will never be converted to Christ, not ever. They will for the most part be promoters of a false gospel.

Now if someone has been a promoter of the false gospel, and they were a child of God yet in a unconverted state, they will be saved from that false gospel and given faith to believe the truth. For instance like Paul. He always was a Sheep, just at one time a lost Sheep, he was never a goat, a tare, or a child of the devil.
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Old 11-23-2021, 10:07 AM
 
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This answer is simple........those who are truly saved and in the body of christ will never go thru the trib.......they will be watching from heaven.
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Old 11-23-2021, 10:20 AM
 
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The children of the devil, satans seed are men and women like you and i. Paul was given insight to one one time here Acts 13:8-10

8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.

9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him.

10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

Paul calls him, while full of the Spirit, a child of the devil. Devil here is genitive case denoting source, origin, ownership. The person was of the serpents seed, he belonged to the devil and not one of Gods dear children that had a right to Christs redemption.
The phrases: "child of the devil, or being "of the devil", or "of your father the devil" is describing those who live according to the flesh and fulfill it's lusts and desires. It's speaking of those who live according to the nature, or "spirit", of the flesh. Read it, here:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

And, that is what the seed of the serpent (Gen 3:15) represents. The flesh and it's lusts and of those who live accordingly, therein.
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Old 11-23-2021, 12:03 PM
 
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The phrases: "child of the devil, or being "of the devil", or "of your father the devil" is describing those who live according to the flesh and fulfill it's lusts and desires. It's speaking of those who live according to the nature, or "spirit", of the flesh. Read it, here:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

And, that is what the seed of the serpent (Gen 3:15) represents. The flesh and it's lusts and of those who live accordingly, therein.
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Old 11-23-2021, 01:58 PM
 
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The phrases: "child of the devil, or being "of the devil", or "of your father the devil" is describing those who live according to the flesh and fulfill it's lusts and desires. It's speaking of those who live according to the nature, or "spirit", of the flesh. Read it, here:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

And, that is what the seed of the serpent (Gen 3:15) represents. The flesh and it's lusts and of those who live accordingly, therein.
Dont say I didnt take time to explain truth to you.
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Old 11-23-2021, 02:34 PM
 
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Dont say I didnt take time to explain truth to you.
Save your concern for when you are before God and Jesus explaining why you blasphemed their character with the bigoted serpent seed doctrine.
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