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It's not "he", but rather "that" which is unrighteous and filthy. The definite article (Gk. "ο") is being translated as "he".
It's actually referring to "that" which works. "That" being the "flesh" that works unrighteousness and is filthy. The spirit of man (the breath of God) is not unrighteous and filthy: (v.12) "to render to each as his work will be;
Again you change/mishandle scripture, thats not good. Clearly not all are justified.
Learning without thought is labor lost
Thought without learning is perilous.
Confucius
You going to be judged by what the truth says and not your boy confucius. God has clearly decreed that some remain unjust still, so its impossible that Christ died for them or ever loved them.
Again you change/mishandle scripture, thats not good. Clearly not all are justified.
You need to read Rom 5:18. All are justified by Christ, here it is:
Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Context, "even so" demands that "all" means "all".
Now many today in their carnal religious zeal, void of the Spirit, have imposed a most unscriptural meaning to the word world in Jn 3:16, they erroneously have it meaning all men and women without exception or the whole human race, but thats not what Jn 3:16 states or means. This fabrication does not pass the test of scripture. For example Jn 1:10
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.58
In this one verse we find the word world [kosmos] with three different meanings. The first instance means, He lived on this earth, He tabernacled among men, Second it means He created all things, He created the orderly arrangement, and third, the word world primarily means the Jewish world were He conducted His Ministry, and who hated Him without cause. So in this one verse alone we have diverse meanings, none of which honestly means all mankind without exception. Wherever the word world is found it should be subject to its context, a word should not dictate a subject, but the subject the word.
Your commentary regarding Christ says: "He created all things, He created the orderly arrangement".
What I'm doing is pointing out the shortcomings and pitfalls of reading translations of scripture. Not scripture itself.
All translations (KJV, ASV, NASB, YLT, LITV, etc.,) have their idiosyncrasies that are peculiar to the individual or translation teams that make them. Even the underlying text types (Alexandrian, Western, Byzantine, etc.) of textual criticism, that translators work from, can and do exert an enormous amount of weight on what we read and how we understand a particular passage of scripture.
With that said, (I think it was Karl Barth, or perhaps it was someone else), who said this regarding divine inspiration of the bible: Scripture becomes the word of God only when the Holy Spirit reveals it's truths to us, in Christ. And that can happen regardless of the translation we read from.
What I'm doing is pointing out the shortcomings and pitfalls of reading translations of scripture. Not scripture itself.
All translations (KJV, ASV, NASB, YLT, LITV, etc.,) have their idiosyncrasies that are peculiar to the individual or translation teams that make them. Even the underlying text types (Alexandrian, Western, Byzantine, etc.) of textual criticism, that translators work from, can and do exert an enormous amount of weight on what we read and how we understand a particular passage of scripture.
With that said, (I think it was Karl Barth, or perhaps it was someone else), who said this regarding divine inspiration of the bible: Scripture becomes the word of God only when the Holy Spirit reveals it's truths to us, in Christ. And that can happen regardless of the translation we read from.
What is often missed is that for the Holy Spirit to guide us we must be in the states of mind associated with the Holy Spirit. Few people realize that requirement and fewer know what those states of mind ARE. Most think it is some magical or mystical thing that happens to those who believe the right things according to the "precepts and doctrines of men." It is NOT! There are specific states of mind that resonate with the Holy Spirit and make it available to us. Few even consider what they are.
18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
In these Two verses the word world is used several times but it is limited to the meaning of those who persecuted them who stood for the Truth ! The word is never used here as all mankind without exception !
What I'm doing is pointing out the shortcomings and pitfalls of reading translations of scripture. Not scripture itself.
All translations (KJV, ASV, NASB, YLT, LITV, etc.,) have their idiosyncrasies that are peculiar to the individual or translation teams that make them. Even the underlying text types (Alexandrian, Western, Byzantine, etc.) of textual criticism, that translators work from, can and do exert an enormous amount of weight on what we read and how we understand a particular passage of scripture.
With that said, (I think it was Karl Barth, or perhaps it was someone else), who said this regarding divine inspiration of the bible: Scripture becomes the word of God only when the Holy Spirit reveals it's truths to us, in Christ. And that can happen regardless of the translation we read from.
You are mishandling the word of Truth, that will be a greater condemnation friend James 3:1
My brethren, be not many masters[teachers], knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
You are mishandling the word of Truth, that will be a greater condemnation friend James 3:1
My brethren, be not many masters[teachers], knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
Your response is a case in point. It's not "condemnation", as translated by the KJV, but rather "judgment". The Gk. term being used is "κριμαv". It's a judicial term, and such judgments will be "greater" in the sense of divine scrutiny. Those being judged will undergo a thorough and rigorous cross examination by the One who knows all things, and then receive divine chastisement and correction accordingly.
And, if you'll notice, it's being directed at the "brethren" and "we", even James is included here.
So, it's not with reference to an eternal condemnation, or even condemnation in general (your own doctrines even object to the "elect" being "condemned"), but rather "judgment" that carries with it correction and chastisement that will be applied during the sentencing phase. Christ has already been "condemned" on behalf of all, including those to whom James is addressing.
18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
In these Two verses the word world is used several times but it is limited to the meaning of those who persecuted them who stood for the Truth ! The word is never used here as all mankind without exception !
There are, in a spiritual sense, two "worlds", two nations, two kingdoms within the soul of all mankind. The two "worlds" of the soul, if you will, are represented by "flesh" and "spirit". Those are the two seeds being spoken of in Gen 3:15.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
In Joh 3:16, it's the spirit of man, the breath of God that gives life to all, the image of God, that God loves. Not the flesh and it's carnal nature. The fleshly nature is what subjected the soul to vanity and the bondage of corruption.
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
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What is often missed is that for the Holy Spirit to guide us we must be in the states of mind associated with the Holy Spirit. Few people realize that requirement and fewer know what those states of mind ARE. Most think it is some magical or mystical thing that happens to those who believe the right things according to the "precepts and doctrines of men." It is NOT! There are specific states of mind that resonate with the Holy Spirit and make it available to us. Few even consider what they are.
