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Old 12-02-2021, 06:47 AM
 
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Who do you think Romans 11 is speaking of?

" Ethnic Israel," as you put it.


Is Paul talking about Jews?
You still dont get it, even though Im taking time to explain how world is used.
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Old 12-03-2021, 07:52 AM
 
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1 Jn 3:1

If God Loved all men without exception, and His Love is the same for all, then according to 1 Jn 3:1

1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

All men without exception should be called the Son's of God ! Now if that is True, why did Jesus say to these ethnic jews ? Jn 8:42


42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Also, if God is Father of anyone then they will Love Jesus Christ, Christ said that Himself !" If God were your Father, ye would love me: "

Now Paul wrote in 1 Cor 16:22

22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Now consider this, if any man Love not Jesus, then that means according to Jn 8:42, that one has not God as their Father, and if they have not God as their Father, then how could they be loved of God the Father 1 Jn 3:1 ?

Now, see how that false teaching cannot stand the test of scripture ?
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Old 12-03-2021, 12:20 PM
 
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John 3:16

Many False teachers today have corrupted and used God's word deceitfully by quoting Jn 3:16 as stating that God Loves all men, of all time without exception, and that believing in Christ here is an condition man must meet in order to get saved ! What utter Falsehood. For Jn 3:16 is stating no more than God Loved those in the world who are believing in His Son and that they should not perish. This is a Testimony that God Loved all those in the world who are believing or who are believers or shall be made believers as in Jn 17:20. So in this verse Jn 3:16, there is no testimony at all that God Loves any who are not or will become believers. Only believing in Christ is proof that God Loved someone.
You say this because you havent a clue about the religion you are discussing, maybe if you actuallt studied the freaking religion you falsely claim to be a.member of, you wouldnt be saying those things.


But you dont know what you are talking about so its you and others that believe as if you who are saved and nobody else, again, from your total ignorance of the very religion you were to study, but dont.


That religion you so often want to teach, its not the same religion Jesus practiced, NOT EVEN CLOSE, and yet here you are acting as if you know what you are talking about.


You cant even name the.most basic fundamental holy days and missions of Christ, you cant name them or the dates they occur.

Jesus died or all men, Corinthians teaches that ALL MEN will be tested by fire, but even the ones who burn are saved.


Jesus spoke about you, and how you are the least in the kingdom, and do you know who else is in the least of the kingdom?


Arheists who teach and speak against Jesus, even lawbreakers who literally teach other people not to follow Moses.




You should sit there and think about that thing and where you are standing, and who you are standing with.


You choose to be in the least of the.kingdom, and even though you are saved, there are 2 higher kingdoms, but you willingly choose to. be the least, nay, you are frealing proud to be among the Atheist and non believers.



But here you are speaking about your ridiculous assumption that you are any more saved than an Atheist as you were standing in outer darkness by your own choice.



Its beyond me, and you cant even make this stuff up, you highhack a religion you pretend to be a member of, and now you are warning others to believe WHEN YOU ARE THE UNBELIEVER.


LOL, Again, you cant make this stuff up

As if you had a Passover lamb, or a ram of Pentecost,or a Yom Kippur goat or a Sukkot bull.


By some utterly dysfunctional delusion, you literallly think you have a power of the holy spirit giiding you.

Problem is, remeber, you dont even believe in or practice the Jewish feasts, Remeber?

Remember?

You arent even in the same religion as two two promised rains, you arent in the religion Jesus walked in.





Not only aren't you in the same religion as Jesus, you are the worst enemy to those who are in the religion of Messiah.




YOU ARE AN UNBELIEVER.




Yet here you are speaking of the difference unbelievers and yourself.





This type of CRAZY mentality cant work against any other relugion, it cant work against any people.



You havent replaced the Jew, you havent replaced Israel, REALITY, THE REALITY IS THE FACT THAT JEWS AND ISRAELIS ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE FOLLOWING GOD 8N HIS OWN RELIGION, AND FOR 2000 YEARS, THEY ALONE ARE THE SAINTS WHO FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF MESSIAH.

YOU DO NOT.



The whole world has hated those people who follow the same religion as Messiah, they are the victims, Christians have been the oppressors now for 2000 years, the oppressors did not suddenly become the victims.

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Old 12-03-2021, 01:34 PM
 
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You say this because you havent a clue about the religion you are discussing, maybe if you actuallt studied the freaking religion you falsely claim to be a.member of, you wouldnt be saying those things.


But you dont know what you are talking about so its you and others that believe as if you who are saved and nobody else, again, from your total ignorance of the very religion you were to study, but dont.


That religion you so often want to teach, its not the same religion Jesus practiced, NOT EVEN CLOSE, and yet here you are acting as if you know what you are talking about.


You cant even name the.most basic fundamental holy days and missions of Christ, you cant name them or the dates they occur.

Jesus died or all men, Corinthians teaches that ALL MEN will be tested by fire, but even the ones who burn are saved.


Jesus spoke about you, and how you are the least in the kingdom, and do you know who else is in the least of the kingdom?


Arheists who teach and speak against Jesus, even lawbreakers who literally teach other people not to follow Moses.




You should sit there and think about that thing and where you are standing, and who you are standing with.


You choose to be in the least of the.kingdom, and even though you are saved, there are 2 higher kingdoms, but you willingly choose to. be the least, nay, you are frealing proud to be among the Atheist and non believers.



But here you are speaking about your ridiculous assumption that you are any more saved than an Atheist as you were standing in outer darkness by your own choice.



Its beyond me, and you cant even make this stuff up, you highhack a religion you pretend to be a member of, and now you are warning others to believe WHEN YOU ARE THE UNBELIEVER.


LOL, Again, you cant make this stuff up

As if you had a Passover lamb, or a ram of Pentecost,or a Yom Kippur goat or a Sukkot bull.


By some utterly dysfunctional delusion, you literallly think you have a power of the holy spirit giiding you.

Problem is, remeber, you dont even believe in or practice the Jewish feasts, Remeber?

Remember?

You arent even in the same religion as two two promised rains, you arent in the religion Jesus walked in.





Not only aren't you in the same religion as Jesus, you are the worst enemy to those who are in the religion of Messiah.




YOU ARE AN UNBELIEVER.




Yet here you are speaking of the difference unbelievers and yourself.





This type of CRAZY mentality cant work against any other relugion, it cant work against any people.



You havent replaced the Jew, you havent replaced Israel, REALITY, THE REALITY IS THE FACT THAT JEWS AND ISRAELIS ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE FOLLOWING GOD 8N HIS OWN RELIGION, AND FOR 2000 YEARS, THEY ALONE ARE THE SAINTS WHO FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF MESSIAH.

YOU DO NOT.



The whole world has hated those people who follow the same religion as Messiah, they are the victims, Christians have been the oppressors now for 2000 years, the oppressors did not suddenly become the victims.
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Old 12-04-2021, 03:03 AM
 
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If God Loved all men without exception, then is God their Father according to 1 Jn 3:1

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

The US here must be all men without exception for those who believe God Loved all men without exception, then all men without exception are the Sons of God and have God as their Father !

Now Jesus said to some jews this Jn 8:42a

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me:

So from this very statement of Jesus, If God is the Father of a person that person would love Christ, but Paul writes a statement about some who do not Love Christ 1 Cor 16:2275

22If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

So how can this be if God Loved all men without exception ? Because if He did, then God is there Father, and if that is so, they will Love Jesus Christ as Jesus said to the jews Jn 8:42a
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Old 12-04-2021, 06:08 AM
 
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John 3:16

Many False teachers today have corrupted and used God's word deceitfully by quoting Jn 3:16 as stating that God Loves all men, of all time without exception, and that believing in Christ here is an condition man must meet in order to get saved ! What utter Falsehood. For Jn 3:16 is stating no more than God Loved those in the world who are believing in His Son and that they should not perish. This is a Testimony that God Loved all those in the world who are believing or who are believers or shall be made believers as in Jn 17:20. So in this verse Jn 3:16, there is no testimony at all that God Loves any who are not or will become believers. Only believing in Christ is proof that God Loved someone.


Actually God loves all. He hates the actions of some. One must have the real Jesus. There is more than one being taught on this earth. God sent his son-for ALL. But there are guidelines ALL must follow to be accepted by God.
The biggest problem for those in darkness yet think they are followers, Is that a mere mortal man tells them--YOU ARE SAVED.. It is not TRUTH. That man cannot read the heart, He cannot know if one will endure until their end. He has never seen a single name written in Gods book of life. The bible calls those-blind guides--You are being mislead if your teacher assures you--YOU ARE SAVED. Jesus was 100% clear--Matthew 10:22--Those who endure until their end( death or Har-mageddon) will be saved( at that point, not before. Any can fall.
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Old 12-04-2021, 04:54 PM
 
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Actually God loves all. He hates the actions of some. One must have the real Jesus. There is more than one being taught on this earth. God sent his son-for ALL. But there are guidelines ALL must follow to be accepted by God.
The biggest problem for those in darkness yet think they are followers, Is that a mere mortal man tells them--YOU ARE SAVED.. It is not TRUTH. That man cannot read the heart, He cannot know if one will endure until their end. He has never seen a single name written in Gods book of life. The bible calls those-blind guides--You are being mislead if your teacher assures you--YOU ARE SAVED. Jesus was 100% clear--Matthew 10:22--Those who endure until their end( death or Har-mageddon) will be saved( at that point, not before. Any can fall.
You deceived my friend.
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Old 12-05-2021, 04:31 AM
 
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Jn 3:16 The distinguishing Love of God for the Elect !


Those who have corrupted the word of God, take a scripture like Jn 3:16 and force it to say or mean that God Loves all men without exception, even though that's not what it says or means. The Truth of scripture however states and demonstrates that His Love is distinguishing and its only to His Elect ! Deut 7:6-8

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Christ, who is God, is said to Love the Church [World] Eph 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church[The Elect], and gave himself for it;

These are certainly not everyone in the world without exception. The Church are the Chosen of Eph 1:4, which are the Chosen of Deut 7:6-8. Remember God told His Chosen there that they were His Chosen Possession Deut 7:6 " the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself"

Now the word special is the hebrew word cĕgullah and means:

) possession, property

a) valued property, peculiar treasure

b) treasure


Now the same things are said in Eph 1:4 [Chosen] and Eph 1:18

18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

The word inheritance is the greek word klēronomia:

an inheritance, property received (or to be received) by inheritance

2) what is given to one as a possession

a) the eternal blessedness of the consummated kingdom of God which is to be expected after the visible return of Christ

b) the share which an individual will have in that eternal blessedness


So this being God's Chosen inheritance in Deut 7:6-7 was because of them being designated by the Father, when He chose us in Christ.
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Old 12-05-2021, 12:53 PM
 
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Jn 3:16 The distinguishing Love of God for the Elect !


Those who have corrupted the word of God, take a scripture like Jn 3:16 and force it to say or mean that God Loves all men without exception, even though that's not what it says or means. The Truth of scripture however states and demonstrates that His Love is distinguishing and its only to His Elect ! Deut 7:6-8

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Christ, who is God, is said to Love the Church [World] Eph 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church[The Elect], and gave himself for it;

These are certainly not everyone in the world without exception. The Church are the Chosen of Eph 1:4, which are the Chosen of Deut 7:6-8. Remember God told His Chosen there that they were His Chosen Possession Deut 7:6 " the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself"

Now the word special is the hebrew word cĕgullah and means:

) possession, property

a) valued property, peculiar treasure

b) treasure


Now the same things are said in Eph 1:4 [Chosen] and Eph 1:18

18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

The word inheritance is the greek word klēronomia:

an inheritance, property received (or to be received) by inheritance

2) what is given to one as a possession

a) the eternal blessedness of the consummated kingdom of God which is to be expected after the visible return of Christ

b) the share which an individual will have in that eternal blessedness


So this being God's Chosen inheritance in Deut 7:6-7 was because of them being designated by the Father, when He chose us in Christ.

Unfortunately for mortals, a false Jesus is being taught to most. It comes out of the mass of confusion called trinity based religions. There is only a single religion that has Jesus( 1Cor 1:10--unity of thought-NO division) Why dont you think 34,000 trinity based religions cannot understand that simple bible milk?
False dogma is why?
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Old 12-05-2021, 01:05 PM
 
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Unfortunately for mortals, a false Jesus is being taught to most. It comes out of the mass of confusion called trinity based religions. There is only a single religion that has Jesus( 1Cor 1:10--unity of thought-NO division) Why dont you think 34,000 trinity based religions cannot understand that simple bible milk?
False dogma is why?
Are you claiming that JW's are NOT Christians?????
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