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Old 11-01-2021, 05:00 PM
 
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God is Love, but its discriminatory, He doesnt love everyone Rom 9:13

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Based upon His Sovereign Will
Love and hate cannot co-habitate. It's no different than talking out both sides of your mouth.
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Old 11-01-2021, 05:24 PM
 
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Love and hate cannot co-habitate. It's no different than talking out both sides of your mouth.
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Old 11-01-2021, 08:34 PM
 
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Since man is made in God's image maam, every individual has those qualities, however the Bible does point out that love is essential to survival, but it also points out that many will not make it. While love is extremely important, more is required. Jesus gave the key at Mat 7:21
what is will of God?
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Old 11-02-2021, 03:49 AM
 
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So, we see specifically that God's Love causes Him to choose a people. That would lead us to understand, that the world of Jn 3:16 consist of those so loved and Chosen of God

Gods Love = Chosen ones to be recipients and benefactors of it.

Those God Loved, also is specifically designated His Church Eph 5:25

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Now, is the church everyone in the world without exception ? It would be foolish to say yes to that question..

The word church is the greek word

ek klēsia:

It simply means to call out, the called out ones..

1 Pet 2:9

9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

The church has been called out of darkness, and secondly, into His Marvelous light

Its not a half done process. Its a calling out of and into.

These are the objects of God's Love in the world, the called out ones, the Church of Jesus Christ.

Paul calls them the called as in Rom 1:6

Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

Rom 8:28

And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

Rom 9:24

Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Now nowhere in scripture can these things apply to all mankind without exception.

The world that God Loved is a called world. Remember one of the definitions for the word world kosmos is:

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

So the called of Jesus Christ as in Rom 1:6

Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:9

So the collection of the called of Jesus Christ is the world God so Loved !

This just simply cannot be denied !
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Old 11-02-2021, 04:32 AM
 
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The world is that of humanity; collectively!
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Old 11-02-2021, 06:18 AM
 
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Faith in Christ is what is always required. Anything else is idolatry.

Mat 7:21; Jas 2:14


Obedience is the key to salvation Augie
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Old 11-02-2021, 06:38 AM
 
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I don't understand what you are saying I got wrong according to the Watchtower. EVERYONE murdered at Armageddon will die the second death correct? Children will be among those unless their parents are witnesses in good standing. That picture is from a Watchtower publication's depiction of Armageddon. Do you not see the little girl, her doll, and her dog being swallowed up by the earth?

I'm not a believer but if I was I would say the Watchtower slanders the name of God. If the Bible really were predicting Armadeggon the last place I would want to be is any religious building, especially a Kingdom Hall.



You didn't mention Armageddon, rather at the end of the thousand years. Perhaps I should have picked up on that from your posted picture. When Jesus returns, it is true that only the wicked will be removed. They have been judged, but you, me, the governing body do not know for sure who will be resurrected. Like Abraham, myself, all Christians, and many others including Jehovah desire that all attain repentance and be saved 2 Pet 3:9, likely because you are a loving person. Abraham questioned God about destroying righteous ones along with the wicked at Sodom, Genesis 18:22on, but of course in reality out of his love he was considering Jehovah unrighteous. We have to have faith that Jehovah is in fact a God of Love maam, if He is not, what is the point? If He proves to be unrighteous I will side with satan myself. At this time, I perceive God is in truth a God of Love, but we will not be able to prove that until the contrast of this world vs what Jehovah will do during the thousand years. It should be quite a contrast 8.



If Jehovah executes kids who are not yet the age of accountability because their parents chose not to serve Him, what kind of a God would that make Him maam? You are correct, He knows who will serve Him and who will not, but ultimately Jesus will judge as Jehovah desires, if we are not happy with the way things turn out, as you stated, we will again have an opportunity to make a stand against Him after satan is released. Consider that we know this world is unrighteous, and as the Bible predicted, the love of the greater number is cooling off, the scene of this world is changing rapidly, you have full evidence that satan is not a just god, so why not make your stand against him right now, and give Jehovah the benefit of the doubt, so that you too might be able to judge for yourself if Jehovah is a righteous, deserving God when He has the opportunity to show His world vs satans.
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Old 11-02-2021, 06:42 AM
 
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God is Love, but its discriminatory, He doesnt love everyone Rom 9:13

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Based upon His Sovereign Will

Keep in mind 52 the Bible does not have degrees of love it simply translates lesser love as hate. Hate exists and you might illustrate it with pain. If you hate someone you want them hurt, the more you hate them the more and longer you want them to suffer. Jehovah on the other hand states very clearly these words found at 2 Pet 3:9: (2 Peter 3:9) . . .Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.



That is truly not hate, that is in fact love.
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Old 11-02-2021, 06:44 AM
 
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Love and hate cannot co-habitate. It's no different than talking out both sides of your mouth.



So is a lack of understanding on what is really being said sir.
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Old 11-02-2021, 06:47 AM
 
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what is will of God?



Great question G, there is much involved. Our assignment is found at Mat 28:19,20. But there is a lot involved, Bible study, meeting attendance, ministry, helping others physically as well, with our time talents and treasures. Doing the will of Jehovah is a growth process, and an eternal one, it is not burdensome 1 Jn 5:3 but it is a 47 job.
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