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Old 10-25-2021, 07:41 AM
 
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So, what is God's Kingdom? Isa 9:6,7; Mat 5:3; Luke 1:31-33 show that it is a real government with Jesus as King


What will it accomplish? Dan 2:44; Mat 6:10 reveal that the Kingdom will come and remove all existing Kingdoms and stand forever.




What does it mean to seek first the Kingdom? Mat 6:33; 13:44 We seek it by supporting it and having faith that only it will make conditions on earth the way God wants them.
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Old 10-25-2021, 07:58 AM
 
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So, what is God's Kingdom? Isa 9:6,7; Mat 5:3; Luke 1:31-33 show that it is a real government with Jesus as King


What will it accomplish? Dan 2:44; Mat 6:10 reveal that the Kingdom will come and remove all existing Kingdoms and stand forever.




What does it mean to seek first the Kingdom? Mat 6:33; 13:44 We seek it by supporting it and having faith that only it will make conditions on earth the way God wants them.
I believe only a few people on this planet put the Kingdom first. What that means is these people are always being of service to others. They put others before themselves. That is the key to the kingdom. Jesus said not everyone needs a doctor but only the sick. The others, pretty sure me included, inherit Heaven as well but do not serve God in the inner tabernacle. We do get to visit the Throne but don't reside there.

On the topic of seeing God.....A man had a car crash on the one year anniversary of his son's own death and had NDE, met his son in heaven. His son told his dad---Dad, don't ever worry about me, everything is so wonderful beyond any words can describe , we all do things we love doing, but the reward, THE reward, the thing above and grander than ALL things is...seeing God. THAT is the reward. You want to stay there, it IS the pinnacle of ALL things, seeing God ..yes, that is the reward> You cannot stop looking at God but we go and do things he told his dad. This is one NDE that has stuck with me for years.
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Old 10-25-2021, 12:53 PM
 
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So, what is God's Kingdom? Isa 9:6,7; Mat 5:3; Luke 1:31-33 show that it is a real government with Jesus as King


What will it accomplish? Dan 2:44; Mat 6:10 reveal that the Kingdom will come and remove all existing Kingdoms and stand forever.




What does it mean to seek first the Kingdom? Mat 6:33; 13:44 We seek it by supporting it and having faith that only it will make conditions on earth the way God wants them.





"My kingdom is not of this world", Jesus said to Pilate. I do not think that the kingdom he spoke of and which we are enjoined to seek means a future golden age of peace on prosperity on earth. I pray for that to happen, and it is a godly thing to wish for. But that isn't what he meant when he spoke of his kingdom.
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Old 10-25-2021, 01:00 PM
 
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So, what is God's Kingdom? Isa 9:6,7; Mat 5:3; Luke 1:31-33 show that it is a real government with Jesus as King
What will it accomplish? Dan 2:44; Mat 6:10 reveal that the Kingdom will come and remove all existing Kingdoms and stand forever.
What does it mean to seek first the Kingdom? Mat 6:33; 13:44 We seek it by supporting it and having faith that only it will make conditions on earth the way God wants them.
Sounds like you missed the boat, Highway:

Matthew 12:28 "... the Kingdom of God has arrived among you."
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Old 10-25-2021, 01:12 PM
 
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So, what is God's Kingdom? Isa 9:6,7; Mat 5:3; Luke 1:31-33 show that it is a real government with Jesus as King


What will it accomplish? Dan 2:44; Mat 6:10 reveal that the Kingdom will come and remove all existing Kingdoms and stand forever.




What does it mean to seek first the Kingdom? Mat 6:33; 13:44 We seek it by supporting it and having faith that only it will make conditions on earth the way God wants them.
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Sounds like you missed the boat, Highway:

Matthew 12:28 "... the Kingdom of God has arrived among you."
Highway54 doesn’t appreciate what Being king of kings and lord of lords means, the existing kingdoms do not get removed as such, what happens is they (successively) come under submission to a higher authority, and all higher authorities are to be subdued to the highest authority

1Co 15:22**For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23**But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24**Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25**For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet
.
1Co 15:26**The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27**For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28**And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Eph 1:17**That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph 1:18**The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
Eph 1:19**And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Eph 1:20**Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21**Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
Eph 1:22**And hath put all things under his feet,
and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Eph 1:23**Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

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Old 10-25-2021, 01:41 PM
 
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Highway54 doesn’t appreciate what Being king of kings and lord of lords means, the existing kingdoms do not get removed as such, what happens is they (successively) come under submission to a higher authority, and all higher authorities are to be subdued to the highest authority

1Co 15:22**For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23**But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24**Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25**For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet
.
1Co 15:26**The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27**For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28**And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Eph 1:17**That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph 1:18**The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
Eph 1:19**And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Eph 1:20**Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21**Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
Eph 1:22**And hath put all things under his feet,
and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Eph 1:23**Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
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Old 10-26-2021, 05:04 AM
 
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So, what is God's Kingdom? Isa 9:6,7; Mat 5:3; Luke 1:31-33 show that it is a real government with Jesus as King


What will it accomplish? Dan 2:44; Mat 6:10 reveal that the Kingdom will come and remove all existing Kingdoms and stand forever.




What does it mean to seek first the Kingdom? Mat 6:33; 13:44 We seek it by supporting it and having faith that only it will make conditions on earth the way God wants them.
To have a kingdom, one must have a king, subjects, laws and a realm. The kingdom is here now.

We have a King! His name is Jesus. His kingdom is one of a spiritual nature. He said, “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36) Christians are His subjects. We live according to the law of Christ. His realm is His church.
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Old 10-26-2021, 12:17 PM
 
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To have a kingdom, one must have a king, subjects, laws and a realm. The kingdom is here now.

We have a King! His name is Jesus. His kingdom is one of a spiritual nature. He said, “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36) Christians are His subjects. We live according to the law of Christ. His realm is His church.
Yup, quite right

Except for the Christians as being his subjects part, as children we do need lessons

In Galatians we see a different theme being developed and a need to understand things in a different way, of coming out from under the teachers, schoolmasters of the law and bondage and being free by faith

Gal 3:22**But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23**But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24**Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25**But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26**For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27**For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28**There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29**And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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Old 10-26-2021, 01:37 PM
 
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To have a kingdom, one must have a king, subjects, laws and a realm. The kingdom is here now.

We have a King! His name is Jesus. His kingdom is one of a spiritual nature. He said, “My kingdom is not of this world” (John 18:36) Christians are His subjects. We live according to the law of Christ. His realm is His church.
I agree with Meerkat that we are children being taught to become mature spiritually, not subjects or pets in obedience training. The problem is that too many people forget that the law of Christ is summed up in two commandments - Love God and love each other (and judge not lest ye be judged).

We are to follow the guidance of the Comforter (God's Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness) as revealed on the Cross by Jesus. We need not fret over specific laws of any kind because we would not sin. The states of mind associated with the Holy Spirit immunize us from sin. It is only when we are in other states of mind that we are vulnerable to sin.
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Old 10-26-2021, 02:28 PM
 
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I agree with Meerkat that we are children being taught to become mature spiritually, not subjects or pets in obedience training. The problem is that too many people forget that the law of Christ is summed up in two commandments - Love God and love each other (and judge not lest ye be judged).

We are to follow the guidance of the Comforter (God's Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness) as revealed on the Cross by Jesus. We need not fret over specific laws of any kind because we would not sin. The states of mind associated with the Holy Spirit immunize us from sin. It is only when we are in other states of mind that we are vulnerable to sin.
Its not either/or though mystic

For me, my “part” and “need” is to understand and keep separate the different layers and their relativity and relation to each other

Just like Individually we are composite and complete as an individual person, there is that same composition and completion being worked over a specific period of time for a specific people who are to be one body with many members

As pointed out it Romans there has been a basic problem of not keeping in mind the understanding of what the creation is and the layering involved in it

God's Wrath on Unrighteousness
Rom 1:18**For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19**Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20**For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21**Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22**Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23**And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24**Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25**Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.



We are to be subject to any appointed authorities, we are to be obedient,

Those of us who are not affiliated with any physical church/system have a different job of mediation between the external, outer, sensory “parts”


The left/right, the above/below, the inner/outer are all relevant to any living organism and we need to be aware of the complexity, timing, symbolism involved in the Scriptures
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