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The entire Bible was written, culled, compiled, edited, translated, transliterated, and copied many times over by IMPERFECT men. That is why the spirit of what is written MUST be tested against God's Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness as revealed and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus Christ on the Cross. Our ancestors were conditioned to believe God is wrathful and vengeful. Jesus came to reveal that He is NOT!
Unfortunately, everything they wrote and interpreted was written and interpreted as if it came from a wrathful and vengeful God. They were WRONG! There are negative consequences for our failures here but they are NOT punishments imposed by God. God wants us to avoid them! He is not angrily imposing them on us. Any negative consequences will be the result of what WE have become NOT the result of God's nonexistent wrath.
But the biblical flood story says the waters covered all the high mountains. So no flattened mountains.
How high were those mountains?
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Besides, in the Genesis flood story God opened the windows in the solid dome firmament to let the waters which are above the firmament rain down on the earth. This is ancient Near East cosmology in which a flat circular earth (like a pancake) is covered by a hard glass-like firmament that has windows. That firmament is supported by pillars which are the distant mountains.
Yes. He made it rain big. He also opened the earth up and water poured out. And no, it doesn't mention the glass-like firmament.
If you are speaking of Noah's Flood, I'm sorry, that's not the way it works. You are claiming something happened, it falls into you to prove it happened.
If you are speaking of Noah's Flood, I'm sorry, that's not the way it works. You are claiming something happened, it falls into you to prove it happened.
Oh. Right. ok. Sure. So you can make whatever claims you want with no accountability.
Jesus seemed to treat Noah as a real person and the Flood as an historical event in Matthew 24 and Luke 17. In light of this, are we to view the "coming of the Son of Man" through the same allegorical/spiritual lens through which we would view the Flood?
The author of Hebrews also treats Noah and the Flood as historical in Hebrews 11:7.
St. Peter also treats Noah and the Flood as historical in 1 Peter 3:20.
"As to the view of Christian tradition, it suffices to appeal here to the words of Father Zorell who maintains that the Bible story concerning the Flood has never been explained or understood in any but a truly historical sense by any Catholic writer (cf. Hagen, Lexicon Biblicum). It would be useless labour and would exceed the scope of the present article to enumerate the long list of Fathers and Scholastic theologians who have touched upon the question. The few stray discordant voices belonging to the last fifteen or twenty years are simply drowned in this unanimous chorus of Christian tradition...
[Francois] Lenormant pronounces the Flood story as the most universal tradition in the history of primitive man, and Franz Delitzsch was of opinion that we might as well consider the history of Alexander the Great a myth, as to call the Flood tradition a fable. It would, indeed, be a greater miracle than that of the Deluge itself, if the various and different conditions surrounding the several nations of the earth had produced among them a tradition substantially identical." ~ Catholic Encyclopedia - The Deluge
That said, it is not necessary to adhere to a belief that the Flood literally covered the entire surface of the earth. Neither is it necessary to believe that the Flood killed literally everyone except for Noah and his family.
Oh. Right. ok. Sure. So you can make whatever claims you want with no accountability.
It has been shown that a global flood hasn't happened. You are the one that is making the claim it didn't happen. Hence it is on you to prove it did happen.
Jesus seemed to treat Noah as a real person and the Flood as an historical event in Matthew 24 and Luke 17. In light of this, are we to view the "coming of the Son of Man" through the same allegorical/spiritual lens through which we would view the Flood?
The author of Hebrews also treats Noah and the Flood as historical in Hebrews 11:7.
St. Peter also treats Noah and the Flood as historical in 1 Peter 3:20.
"As to the view of Christian tradition, it suffices to appeal here to the words of Father Zorell who maintains that the Bible story concerning the Flood has never been explained or understood in any but a truly historical sense by any Catholic writer (cf. Hagen, Lexicon Biblicum). It would be useless labour and would exceed the scope of the present article to enumerate the long list of Fathers and Scholastic theologians who have touched upon the question. The few stray discordant voices belonging to the last fifteen or twenty years are simply drowned in this unanimous chorus of Christian tradition...
[Francois] Lenormant pronounces the Flood story as the most universal tradition in the history of primitive man, and Franz Delitzsch was of opinion that we might as well consider the history of Alexander the Great a myth, as to call the Flood tradition a fable. It would, indeed, be a greater miracle than that of the Deluge itself, if the various and different conditions surrounding the several nations of the earth had produced among them a tradition substantially identical." ~ Catholic Encyclopedia - The Deluge
That said, it is not necessary to adhere to a belief that the Flood literally covered the entire surface of the earth. Neither is it necessary to believe that the Flood killed literally everyone except for Noah and his family.
Again, Jesus is speaking of an appointed flood that comes on Shemini Atzeret.
Why dont you know this?
Could it he that you dont know anything about Shemini Atzeret?
Again, Jesus is speaking of an appointed flood that comes on Shemini Atzeret.
Why dont you know this?
I don't know
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Could it he that you dont know anything about Shemini Atzeret?
That is correct. Please don't take that as me asking you to explain it.
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