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Jesus was simply using a story to make a point. There was no global flood. The geological evidence is against such a flood. For one thing, no single flood, no matter how large could have laid down the various kinds of strata that are found in the Grand Canyon in such an orderly manner. Furthermore, such a flood would have been much too violent for the strata to even have been laid down.
Fundamentalist Christians really need to start using their heads about this.
If one cannot trust the Bible, what can you trust Mike?
If one cannot trust the Bible, what can you trust Mike?
It's not a matter of being able to trust the Bible. The issue is understanding why the Bible says what it says about certain things. A person does both the Bible and himself a disservice by blindly accepting everything in the Bible as literal. Taking the attitude 'The Bible says it, I believe it and that settles it,' without wanting to understand why it says something is foolish.
The geological evidence is overwhelmingly against a global flood. It simply is. And in light of the existence of other ancient Near East flood stories which are older than the biblical story it is not hard to understand that the reason for the Genesis flood story is polemical in nature. The biblical writer wanted to put the Hebrew slant on the story to give credit to the Hebrew God Yahweh who brought the flood on the world because of man's evil while discrediting the Mesopotamian flood stories in which the gods brought the flood because man made so much noise that the gods couldn't sleep.
The ANE flood stories are legends which grew out of an actual massive but regional flood, perhaps of the Tigris-Euphrates river system, or perhaps the Black Sea flood gave rise to the legends.
Jesus referred to the Prodigal Son too. But that didn't make him real.
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Exactly. The story of the Prodigal Son was a parable. The parable wasn't literal but it illustrated something that was true.
The prodigal son story followed two other parables about receiving sinners (Luke 15:1). There is no indication that it is a real story.
However, with the flood, Jesus portrays it as an actual event and compared it what is coming in the future. Do you believe what's coming in the future won't really happen?
Luke 17:22-32
22 And He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23 They will say to you, ‘Look there! Look here!’ Do not go away, and do not run after them. 24 For just like the lightning, when it flashes out of one part of the sky, shines to the other part of the sky, so will the Son of Man be in His day. 25 But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26 And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 they were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 It was the same as happened in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building; 29 but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 It will be just the same on the day that the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day, the one who is on the housetop and whose goods are in the house must not go down to take them out; and likewise the one who is in the field must not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife.
The prodigal son story followed two other parables about receiving sinners (Luke 15:1). There is no indication that it is a real story.
However, with the flood, Jesus portrays it as an actual event and compared it what is coming in the future. Do you believe what's coming in the future won't really happen?
Luke 17:22-32
22 And He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23 They will say to you, ‘Look there! Look here!’ Do not go away, and do not run after them. 24 For just like the lightning, when it flashes out of one part of the sky, shines to the other part of the sky, so will the Son of Man be in His day. 25 But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. 26 And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 they were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 It was the same as happened in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building; 29 but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 It will be just the same on the day that the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day, the one who is on the housetop and whose goods are in the house must not go down to take them out; and likewise the one who is in the field must not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife.
Jesus was simply using the flood story as an analogy to make a point about future judgment. Noah's flood wasn't real but future judgment will be.
Jesus was simply using the flood story as an analogy to make a point about future judgment. Noah's flood wasn't real but future judgment will be.
Jesus specifically said... just as it happened.
I don't think you can get any clearer that that.
Throw in the fact the genealogies that were recorded, mentioned the flood.
Genesis 10:32 - These are the families of the sons of Noah, according to their genealogies, by their nations; and out of these the nations were separated on the earth after the flood.
Genesis 11:10 - These are the records of the generations of Shem. Shem was one hundred years old, and became the father of Arpachshad two years after the flood;
Throw in the fact that the Lord reiterates His promise not to flood the earth again.
Isaiah 54:9 - “For this is like the days of Noah to Me, When I swore that the waters of Noah Would not flood the earth again;
Throw in the fact that Noah is included in the hall of faith with others who exhibited great faith in the Lord.
Hebrews 11:7 - By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
But hey - if you would rather believe in the "wisdom of men" (which is foolishness in God's eyes), go for it. When you start spreading the false wisdom to others, it's probably not looked on positively by the Lord.
In the end, do you believe in what the Bible has presented? Because if you do, then you will regard the flood as an actual event that occurred.
Throw in the fact the genealogies that were recorded, mentioned the flood.
Genesis 10:32 - These are the families of the sons of Noah, according to their genealogies, by their nations; and out of these the nations were separated on the earth after the flood.
Genesis 11:10 - These are the records of the generations of Shem. Shem was one hundred years old, and became the father of Arpachshad two years after the flood;
Throw in the fact that the Lord reiterates His promise not to flood the earth again.
Isaiah 54:9 - “For this is like the days of Noah to Me, When I swore that the waters of Noah Would not flood the earth again;
Throw in the fact that Noah is included in the hall of faith with others who exhibited great faith in the Lord.
Hebrews 11:7 - By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
But hey - if you would rather believe in the "wisdom of men" (which is foolishness in God's eyes), go for it. When you start spreading the false wisdom to others, it's probably not looked on positively by the Lord.
In the end, do you believe in what the Bible has presented? Because if you do, then you will regard the flood as an actual event that occurred.
DRob, by the end of the 19th century almost no one believed that the flood story was historical. It is only relatively recently during the 20th century that fundamentalist Christians again started taking the story as historical. It didn't happen, no way, no how. The geological evidence is against a global flood. And yes, I trust the scientific evidence. I know why the flood story is in the Bible and I have stated the reason why.
DRob, by the end of the 19th century almost no one believed that the flood story was historical. It is only relatively recently during the 20th century that fundamentalist Christians again started taking the story as historical. It didn't happen, no way, no how. The geological evidence is against a global flood. And yes, I trust the scientific evidence. I know why the flood story is in the Bible and I have stated the reason why.
Well - in that day, no one believed the flood was coming either. How'd that work for them?
All I will do is present the Scriptures. It's a shame you are moving away from them and are choosing to trust in consensus opinion and science as the main source of your "faith" in the Lord.
If you put a glass of water on your dash board while driving, and suddenly slow down , what happens to the glass of water?
A tsunami.
Before the flood men lived hundreds of years by the measurement of what was then a day.After the flood men live on average 1/10 th the time based on the length of the day.
The ocean volume did not need to grow, the wash via the tsunami washed over the planet.
What caused the slow down?
There are plenty of evidence around the world of astroid strike.
As for the story of Noah, there are plenty of other cultures that share the same story but with different name.
Several other factors play into this, for instance ,
The earth spinning faster than now would have a much high oxygen content due to plant growth, and plants and animals and even people would naturally grow larger.
With the sudden drop in rotation the whole planet would be in shock, and over time the largest land animals died for the lack of oxygen .
By it he way many ocean creatures fossils are found far inland.
Most things are eaten that die in the ocean, how is it that so much are so far inland intact?
One last thing for now.
For those of you that understand electricity and know the difference between AC An DC.
Under normal circumstances one can predict how long an incandescent light bulb will last on an an AC circuit but if that bulb is in the middle of it’s life cycle changed to a DC circuit, can you accurately predict its age?
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How'd that work for them?
