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Old 05-26-2008, 04:16 PM
 
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The Bible teaches that there will be one resurrection from the dead for all mankind (believers and unbelievers) followed by one judgment for all, on the Last Day. Passages like John 5:28-29 and Matthew 25:31-46 make it clear that there will be one appearance before the judgment seat of Christ (as do other passages like Acts 17:31). The concept of multiple resurrections and judgments is not to be found in the Bible, but is a system of thought invented by men and imposed on the Bible.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
As well when Jesus was Risen, there were those in their graves that rose from the dead with Him.
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


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Early church fathers perpetuated the idea, although the strong majority of church fathers rejected the idea just as the Protestant Reformers did too.
As part of the Counter-Reformation came the rise of futurism, followed by erring Protestants like Edward Irving, John Nelson Darby, C.I. Scofield, and Lewis Sperry Chafer. During the Twentieth Century in particular the popularity of millennialism and dispensational premillennialism (dispensationalism) exploded and has now become a dominant Evangelical dogma.
It has appealed to people more than anyone would probably have expected when it first appeared among modern Protestants about 200 years ago. Today few Evangelicals even bother to examine the teaching with careful, thoughtful comparisons to everything Scripture says on the subject. They assume it is Bible truth rather than taking a careful look, although many of the leading writers who oppose millennialism are former millennialists who found their way out of the millennial maze.

godspeed,

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Old 05-26-2008, 04:17 PM
 
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The Bible teaches that there will be one resurrection from the dead for all mankind (believers and unbelievers) followed by one judgment for all, on the Last Day. Passages like John 5:28-29 and Matthew 25:31-46 make it clear that there will be one appearance before the judgment seat of Christ (as do other passages like Acts 17:31). The concept of multiple resurrections and judgments is not to be found in the Bible, but is a system of thought invented by men and imposed on the Bible.

Early church fathers perpetuated the idea, although the strong majority of church fathers rejected the idea just as the Protestant Reformers did too.
As part of the Counter-Reformation came the rise of futurism, followed by erring Protestants like Edward Irving, John Nelson Darby, C.I. Scofield, and Lewis Sperry Chafer. During the Twentieth Century in particular the popularity of millennialism and dispensational premillennialism (dispensationalism) exploded and has now become a dominant Evangelical dogma.
It has appealed to people more than anyone would probably have expected when it first appeared among modern Protestants about 200 years ago. Today few Evangelicals even bother to examine the teaching with careful, thoughtful comparisons to everything Scripture says on the subject. They assume it is Bible truth rather than taking a careful look, although many of the leading writers who oppose millennialism are former millennialists who found their way out of the millennial maze.
Good post... I agree.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:23 PM
 
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Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


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Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Second death = eternal damnation
(first death = death of sin, affecting us all)

If we take part in the first resurrection (spiritual, our souls made alive by Jesus) we will not take part in the second death (eternal damnation)

The second resurrection would be the resurrection of our mortal bodies on that last day.
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:31 PM
 
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Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Second death = eternal damnation
(first death = death of sin, affecting us all)

If we take part in the first resurrection (spiritual, our souls made alive by Jesus) we will not take part in the second death (eternal damnation)

The second resurrection would be the resurrection of our mortal bodies on that last day.
So there is more than one ressurection, just as there has already been some that were resurrected with Christ.
From what twin.spin wrote, there was only 1.
Scripture says differently.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 05-26-2008, 04:50 PM
 
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I believe that this speaks of 3 resurrections, the annointed firstfruits believers (Jesus has already been made alive), those who are Christ's at His coming, and the last group to be made His when all are subjected to Him.

1 Cor. 15:16-28

16. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised;17. and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.18. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.19. If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.20. But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.21. For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.22. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.23. *But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,24. then comes the *end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.25. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.26. The last enemy that will be abolished is death.27. For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.28. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.


*order=tagma-military term denoting a 'company'
*end-telos-the limit; final issue or result; fulfillment; utmost degree; aim or purpose, the last in a succession or series

God bless.
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Old 05-26-2008, 05:11 PM
 
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I believe that this speaks of 3 resurrections, the annointed firstfruits believers (Jesus has already been made alive), those who are Christ's at His coming, and the last group to be made His when all are subjected to Him.

1 Cor. 15:16-28

16. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised;17. and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.18. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.19. If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.20. But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.21. For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.22. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.23. *But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,24. then comes the *end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.25. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.26. The last enemy that will be abolished is death.27. For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him.28. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.


*order=tagma-military term denoting a 'company'
*end-telos-the limit; final issue or result; fulfillment; utmost degree; aim or purpose, the last in a succession or series

God bless.
Well there you have it, thanks for looking that one up Shana....

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 05-26-2008, 05:16 PM
 
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You're welcome, Freedom God bless.
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Old 05-26-2008, 05:19 PM
 
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Good post... I agree.
cg81, Thanks.
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Old 05-26-2008, 05:49 PM
 
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cg81, Thanks.
No recognition of Shana's post?

godspeed,


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Old 05-26-2008, 09:20 PM
 
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I believe in the rapture and the 2nd coming. My beliefs are based on the Biblical guidance I have received through the Holy Spirit. When I was saved, there were two things that I needed desperately and that I asked for and I received. One was peace, and the other was Biblical clarity. I believe in the rights of others to believe however they want, but it doesn't mean that I will ever agree. To assume that someone hasn't studied or considered carefully the scriptures just because they haven't reached the same conclusion as someone else is, in my opinion, not of God or the Holy Spirit.
AMEN! Well said.
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