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I am noticing more and more that many are giving the Holy Spirit more adoration than they are giving Christ. The Holy Spirit did not die on the cross for us. He is a 'helper', not a savior. He is the 'down payment'; per se, on our inheritance. He was co-instrumental in inspiring the writings of the New Testament. He helps our spirit when we do not know how to pray . There are lots of other ways He helps Christians,including interceding for us( along with Christ).
But...I do not find any place in the scriptures that he is to be honored more than Christ. If there is such a scripture, please show me it.
I keep hearing "the Spirit shows me.." " The Spirit Guides me", etc. etc. How does the Spirit guide you other than through the word? Is He speaking to you audibly? Is He saying something other than what has been revealed in the scriptures?
What makes you think it is not your conscience 'speaking' to you, instead of the Spirit'? The conscience is spoken of often in the New Testament, but I do not find anywhere were it is influenced by the Spirit other than through the knowledge of God's word.
I am noticing more and more that many are giving the Holy Spirit more adoration than they are giving Christ. The Holy Spirit did not die on the cross for us. He is a 'helper', not a savior. He is the 'down payment'; per se, on our inheritance. He was co-instrumental in inspiring the writings of the New Testament. He helps our spirit when we do not know how to pray . There are lots of other ways He helps Christians,including interceding for us( along with Christ).
But...I do not find any place in the scriptures that he is to be honored more than Christ. If there is such a scripture, please show me it.
I keep hearing "the Spirit shows me.." " The Spirit Guides me", etc. etc. How does the Spirit guide you other than through the word? Is He speaking to you audibly? Is He saying something other than what has been revealed in the scriptures?
What makes you think it is not your conscience 'speaking' to you, instead of the Spirit'? The conscience is spoken of often in the New Testament, but I do not find anywhere were it is influenced by the Spirit other than through the knowledge of God's word.
THe Holy Spirit is the Power behind Christ, He is the only one, if blasphemed against, there is no forgiveness, here or in the hereafter.
Heeding the Spirit in no way diminishes Jesus.
Very few have the constant companion of the Holy Spirit, i surely don't.
He withdraws when we do not obey the word of God.
Christ means annointed, annointed with what? Light... spirit... intelligence. This is different than receiving the power of the Holy Ghost. Jesus surely did nothing but by the power of the Holy Spirit, the Apostles received the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands, and after they had repented and given their whole selves to Christ.
The Holy Spirit is God, part of the trinity. The Bible also tells us that the Holy Spirit is a Person, a Being with a mind, emotions, and a will.
1 Corinthians 2:10 says that the Holy Spirit thinks and knows.
Ephesians 4:30 says the Holy Spirit can be grieved.
Romans 8:26-27 says the Holy Spirit intercedes for us.
1 Corinthians 12:7-11 says the Holy Spirit makes decisions according to His will.
And, of course, many scriptures explain that the Holy Spirit is the third person in the Trinity.
He's our gift-giver, fruit-producer, and the revealer of truth. Through the Spirit, we can understand and interpret scripture. He reveals God's will in our lives and goes before the faithful to make the way clear. His exalted place is at the right hand of God and He glorifies Christ in all things.
This is only part of what the Holy Spirit does. Can you see how, without the Spirit, we easily fall into error?!
As far as people saying, "The Holy Spirit said," or "God told me," I would caution them HIGHLY to be VERY, VERY, VERY careful about saying such things. That is NOT something to be said lightly AT ALL. It's become so popular for people to do that and I just cringe when I hear it because it's not true in MOST of the cases. The main way God leads us today, through the Holy Spirit, is through His Word.
The main way God leads us today, through the Holy Spirit, is through His Word.
This is because of disobedience in our daily walk. We as believers are so removed from walking the walk that the Spirit is in a constant state of grief over our habitual sin.
Matthew 7:7" Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock,and it will be opened to you."
7:11 " If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father who is in Heaven give to those who ask Him !"
This says to ask the Father who is in Heaven, but it appears some are asking the Holy Spirit instead.
I do not agree that Jesus "did nothing but by the power of the Holy Spirit". Jesus Christ has equal power with God the Father. The turning of water into wine,the healings, and the raising from the dead was done by Jesus, not by the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 7:7" Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and you shall find; knock,and it will be opened to you."
7:11 " If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your Father who is in Heaven give to those who ask Him !"
This says to ask the Father who is in Heaven, but it appears some are asking the Holy Spirit instead.
I do not agree that Jesus "did nothing but by the power of the Holy Spirit". Jesus Christ has equal power with God the Father. The turning of water into wine,the healings, and the raising from the dead was done by Jesus, not by the Holy Spirit.
Without God's Spirit dwelling in us, we are nothing....that is why we can do nothing without the Spirit of God.
1Cr 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Our habitation with God is built through the Spirit.
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
One can not even enter the Kingdom of God without;
Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Hbr 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
THis is some of what i mean when the Power of Christ was through the Spirit of God.
This is because of disobedience in our daily walk. We as believers are so removed from walking the walk that the Spirit is in a constant state of grief over our habitual sin.
The letter killeth, the Spirit maketh alive.
godspeed,
freedom
I agree with you. I do believe that God gives revelation to people today, but it's not as common as people might think. If we aren't already doing what we know to do, through the Word, why would we expect God to give us different Word? Our daily walk - and relationship - is so important.
What I try to get Christians to remember is that right now, we're on the outside of the cemetery gates. But, one day, if the Lord tarries, we'll be on the other side. And at that moment, the ONLY thing that will matter, count or mean anything is what we did to further God's kingdom and not our own plans. This is the trap most people get caught up in. This is it. This is the test. Right now.
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That dot symbolizes our life here on earth. The line symbolizes forever in eternity. (The arrow at the end signifies that it never ends.) Even if we lived 120 years on this earth, that dot wouldn't look any bigger in comparison to eternity. Our short, vapor of a life here makes all the difference for how we'll live throughout eternity.
Hbr 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
freedom
As for the above scripture :
The NASB has a footnote for "the eternal Spirit" ...it says "Or,"His eternal spirit"
In addition:
John 1:3 All things came into being through Him; and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being."
John 1:10 "He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him."
The first 18 verses of the book of John are some of the most beautiful in the New Testament!
1st Corinthians 8:6" yet for us there is but one God,The Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we exist through Him."
Colossians 1:16 " For in Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or domonions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him."
Hebrews 1 :2 "in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things,through whom also he made the world" footnote: Lit. ages
I would like to commend all of you in this thread.
I have to say, that this is probably the best thread on the forum right now.
For the reasons is that the subject is good in all, but the fellowship I see or actually reading is wonderful.
This is what I believe it is suppose to be about. Sharing, encouraging, learning, gracefully understanding one another, and just enjoying a subject that all can walk away knowing that God has been in the midst. Even if it is on the computer.
Thank you, I have learned something from all of you today by just entering this thread.
I pray it will stay like this and help many to understand the things God would have one to know. This is so important in these days. The teaching of God's Spirit.
I so agree He is being thrown around so much it kind of scares me in the sense that He is not respected as He should be. It's like just a name or another religious word.
But once again thank you for your post and the kindness that is flowing.
His exalted place is at the right hand of God and He glorifies Christ in all things.
Just one question. Where is the scripture about the Holy Spirit being at the "right hand of God"? I find a lot that say Christ is at the right hand of God.
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