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I am memorizing part of 1 John 2 as part of my Bible study this week. May God help my elderly memory..
1 John 2:3
And by this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
The one who says I have come to know Him, and does not keep His commandments, is a liar,
and the truth is not in him..
but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked. NASB
The believer's life involves a life of change, of living for Jesus. We cannot just say that we love Jesus and follow Him, if there is not change in our lives, if we are not walking the way that He has taught us to walk. It is more than outward appearance of righteousness. Knowing Him means being in fellowship with Him, understanding that we belong to Him and that we are to reflect Him in our lives, in our thoughts, speech, how we treat others. We are to live right. This does not mean that we never sin. We all mess up at times, but we don't stay there. Our focus, our goal, our purpose is to live for Him. God bless.
How can obeying what Jesus commanded be exalting oneself? He said, “If you love Me, you will obey My commands.” (John 14:15)
I agree that God, through His word, brings us to faith and repentance. But for you to say we play no role in either is nonsense. Faith comes by HEARING the word of God. HEARING is our part. God doesn’t HEAR for us, and He forces no one to LISTEN to Him.
God leads us to repentance, but He does NOT repent (turn from sin) for us. It’s ridiculous to think He does. If He did, there would have been no reason for Him to command that unless we repent, we will perish.
I’m just trying to follow your and Brightfames disagreement (and other peoples religious disagreements as well)
Isn’t it Gods goodness that leads us to repentance though?
The wrath is about consequences for the impiety and ungodlinesses of His own people
Rom 2:4**Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5**But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6**Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7**To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8**But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9**Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10**But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11**For there is no respect of persons with God.
I agree with Brightfame that the Holy Scriptures are religious documents addressed to religious people
The contentious is made up of 2 words
Greek ek which is ‘Out of’ and in verse 5 it is the heart which is the source
G1537 (Strong)
ἐκ, ἐξ
ek ex
ek, ex
A primary preposition denoting origin (the point whence motion or action proceeds), from, out (of place, time or cause; literally or figuratively; direct or remote): - after, among, X are, at betwixt (-yond), by (the means of), exceedingly, (+ abundantly above), for (-th), from (among, forth, up), + grudgingly, + heartily, X heavenly, X hereby, + very highly, in, . . . ly, (because, by reason) of, off (from), on, out among (from, of), over, since, X thenceforth, through, X unto, X vehemently, with (-out). Often used in composition, with the same general import; often of completion.
G2052 (Strong)
ἐριθεία
eritheia
er-ith-i'-ah
Perhaps from the same as G2042; properly intrigue, that is, (by implication) faction: - contention (-ious), strife.
In Galatians 5:15-26 we are told what the requirements for His people are to inherit the kingdom
And in Matthew 1 we are told that Jesus sole purpose is to save His people from their sin
How can obeying what Jesus commanded be exalting oneself? He said, “If you love Me, you will obey My commands.” (John 14:15)
I agree that God, through His word, brings us to faith and repentance. But for you to say we play no role in either is nonsense. Faith comes by HEARING the word of God. HEARING is our part. God doesn’t HEAR for us, and He forces no one to LISTEN to Him.
God leads us to repentance, but He does NOT repent (turn from sin) for us. It’s ridiculous to think He does. If He did, there would have been no reason for Him to command that unless we repent, we will perish.
You condition salvation on yourself, thats exalting yourself. Salvation is conditioned on Christ alone, His Obedience unto death Rom 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
According to this scripture, how were people made sinners, and how shall they be made righteous ?
Both belief and obedience are necessary for salvation They go hand in hand.
John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” (NKJV)
Believe is used twice in this verse. The first time it is used, the Greek term is pisteuó: It means to believe, entrust.
The Greek term for the second use of believe is apeitheó. It means to disobey
The ESV has a more accurate rendering of John 3:36.
“Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.” (John 3:36 ESV)
How will our Calvinist friends deny that salvation is dependent upon OUR belief and obedience?
Getting saved and staying saved are two different items.
You are not saved in a one time event, for all of eternity. Read the Parable of the Sower.
I dont want to waste any more time with you either.
It’s called stripping verses from their context.
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