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Thats a judgment against the non elect, to believe a lie, and the judgment is final, they are damned 2 Thess 2:10-14
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Unfortunately they will not know they believe a lie, they will think they believe the truth
Thats a judgment against the non elect, to believe a lie, and the judgment is final, they are damned 2 Thess 2:10-14
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Unfortunately they will not know they believe a lie, they will think they believe the truth
Well? And the issue is what? There are a LOT of folks around here that talk about God, but reject the Bible. They talk about God, but they reject Jesus' words, and him as the savior.
I think that's just sad. What an awful thing for someone all powerful like God to do to the creatures he created. That's why I don't believe in that God anymore. Doesn't jibe with the all encompassing message of love that I choose to embrace.
I think that's just sad. What an awful thing for someone all powerful like God to do to the creatures he created. That's why I don't believe in that God anymore. Doesn't jibe with the all encompassing message of love that I choose to embrace.
If you don't believe in that God, what god do you believe in?
If you don't believe in that God, what god do you believe in?
I believe there is a Source of Life in the Universe, and we are all connected to that Source -- plants, animals, the earth, everything. And that Source of Life is within each of us.
Lies are of evil and the enemy. God does not play the role of Satan.
OP - You should be ashamed of the false doctrines you promote!
Acts 13 - Christian Standard Bible
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When they had traveled the whole island as far as Paphos, they came across a sorcerer, a Jewish false prophet named Bar-Jesus. 7 He was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, an intelligent man. This man summoned Barnabas and Saul and wanted to hear the word of God. 8 But Elymas the sorcerer (that is the meaning of his name) opposed them and tried to turn the proconsul away from the faith.
9 But Saul—also called Paul—filled with the Holy Spirit, stared straight at Elymas 10 and said, “You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery, you son of the devil and enemy of all that is right. Won’t you ever stop perverting the straight paths of the Lord? 11 Now, look, the Lord’s hand is against you. You are going to be blind, and will not see the sun for a time.” Immediately a mist and darkness fell on him, and he went around seeking someone to lead him by the hand.
Deceit and trickery are the sign of Satan. Paul's question: "Won’t you ever stop perverting the straight paths of the Lord?"
John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me.
Quote:
Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
Satan will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve [Satan's lie]. God sends them powerful delusion to believe the [Satan's] lie. So all will be condemned who have not [already] believed the truth but delighted in wickedness.
So what form does this powerful delusion take? It's the whole question in this discussion. The second question is how do you square this with Acts 13 and John 14:16? All three quotes can't be true at the same time.
We need to understand the powerful delusion and what form it takes. Is it man's nature to believe the lies of Satan or is the powerful delusion more than man's nature? What is God's role?
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I believe there is a Source of Life in the Universe, and we are all connected to that Source -- plants, animals, the earth, everything. And that Source of Life is within each of us.
And why do you believe that? What makes you believe that is correct?
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