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Old 06-03-2008, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Plainville, Ga
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Here's you something to think about:


Exodus 20

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

(I color all Bible verses red. If you take offense to this for some reason, I apologize)

So.. should Christians make an image of God even if we don't "bow down" to them?

What about images of Jesus?

Also.. Should we treat Jesus' Cross as a symbol of Christ? Because this could also be translated into "Should we treat Jesus' Cross as a symbol of God?" (If you truly believe God the Father and Jesus both are God.)

Anyway. Comments?

* This conversation was started at The Revolution Forum linky
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Old 06-03-2008, 07:37 PM
 
Location: SC Foothills
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I'm kinda confused by what you mean. I am understanding that you think the scriptures you quoted mean that God doesn't want us to have images of Him or Jesus? If that's what you meant, then that's not what the scriptures are saying. It can be compared to the 1st of the 10 commandments, where God instructs:
"You shall have no other gods before me."
The scriptures are saying that we (all people) are to worship God only, and not to have other "graven images", such as idols, as gods. Anything like crosses or pictures of Jesus are perfectly fine because they depict the reverence we have for God and His only Son, our Savior.

If this is not what you meant, then I apologize.
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Plainville, Ga
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That is sorta what I mean.. Sorry for the confusion. Some people practally worship the cross.. While others wear the cross just as a necklace...

We also paint pictures of an "ideal" Christ.. The images we have most likely look nothing like Him. Should we have these in our churches?
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Old 06-03-2008, 08:52 PM
 
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This is what many evangelicals point out as heresy in Catholicism ..That is, stautes, paintings,crosses,pictures of saints,pictures of Jesus,Christmas mangers,etc.
Infact, many Protestant churchs don't have a cross in the building because they believe it is against G-d's commands.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:14 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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The thing is that throughout history many artist have created an idealised version of Christ. And art never was cheap. Since the Romans were 1 of the richest Christians they mainly bought depictions of Christ were he looked Roman.
Another reason why Christ was depicted in many pictures is because back then many people couldn't read.
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Old 06-03-2008, 09:32 PM
 
Location: SC Foothills
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That is sorta what I mean.. Sorry for the confusion. Some people practally worship the cross.. While others wear the cross just as a necklace...

We also paint pictures of an "ideal" Christ.. The images we have most likely look nothing like Him. Should we have these in our churches?
This was discussed in one of the other threads just recently but I can't remember which one. I think it's "the color of Christ". I feel and so did many others that portraying Jesus as white, black, jewish, protestant, catholic, etc. is fine.....it's what we can relate to and what we understand.

I think it's fine to have it in a church, as long as everyone can agree on the image. I wear crosses and HUGE silver cross earrings. I look at it as my way of letting people know without verbally saying it that Christ is first in my life. I think it's a good thing.

And contrary to what others said, I am protestant and every single church I have ever attended has had SEVERAL crosses and images of Jesus, and the amount of churches I have attended is too many to count. Also, I have absolutely nothing against Catholics and I am intrigued by the history, images, art and traditions that they have.

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Old 06-03-2008, 09:53 PM
 
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This was discussed in one of the other threads just recently but I can't remember which one. I think it's "the color of Christ". I feel and so did many others that portraying Jesus as white, black, jewish, protestant, catholic, etc. is fine.....it's what we can relate to and what we understand.

I think it's fine to have it in a church, as long as everyone can agree on the image. I wear crosses and HUGE silver cross earrings. I look at it as my way of letting people know without verbally saying it that Christ is first in my life. I think it's a good thing.

And contrary to what others said, I am protestant and every single church I have ever attended has had SEVERAL crosses and images of Jesus, and the amount of churches I have attended is too many to count. Also, I have absolutely nothing against Catholics and I am intrigued by the history, images, art and traditions that they have.
Now DOTL,
Again, many Protestant churchs do not have any Christian symbols.
We are known by our fruits-no symbolic jewlery is necessary to be known as sheep.He knows His sheep and we hear our Shepherd...
Jesus is lord,DAYOFTHELORD>>>(no coward here!)
Nothing against Catholics here,just in case there was some accusatory implication...

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Old 06-03-2008, 10:50 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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There is an unhealthy worship of crosses and trinkets in religion. There are symbols of religion.

None are necessary if our EYES are single to HIS Glory.

Often times the trinkets give off a sense of self-righteous piety. There have been times when it is flaunted in an un holy manner.

Even the broad collars and long robes were put into question during Jesus' lessons to the Scribes and Pharisee's...

Things worn on the outside or displayed on the outside, can never take the place or the reality of inner praise and thankgiving.

Think how God desires to be honored, and I think that is why the idolism is so lessor than an open heart and a contrite spirit, which are truly the only acceptable sacrafices that God desires of us.

godspeed,


freedom
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Old 06-03-2008, 11:59 PM
 
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This is what many evangelicals point out as heresy in Catholicism ..That is, stautes, paintings,crosses,pictures of saints,pictures of Jesus,Christmas mangers,etc.
Infact, many Protestant churchs don't have a cross in the building because they believe it is against G-d's commands.
The images and statues aren't being worshiped, that's such a huge myth. So evangelicals can point out all they would like, their accusations are false.
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Old 06-06-2008, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Florida
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the early church used the symbol of a fish
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